Infiltration - Postgame

[GuidoHunter]

Orange: no intel provided, no comments able to be given. I think you're a wolf. Thought that when I talked to you. You, Red, Blue.

And, ALL OF YOU ARE #$#ing STUPID! IF A RED DOES NOT ATTACK A GUARD, THE GUARD WILL KILL THE RED. ABOUT 3 DIFFERENT PEOPLE SAID THAT THE REDS DON'T HAVE TO KILL THE GUARDS, AND NO ONE CORRECTED THAT STATEMENT!!!! God, you people are stupid.

I said on page 1 that I wouldn't lie to ANYONE during the game. No one remembered that, but I didn't. I didn't lie one time to anyone during the entire game. I had the location of MGGhost, the Stinger room, the Generator. Needed 2 more pieces and we win. Now you have no leadership to coordinate. Stupid.

With that said, I'm done with TWG for the forseeable future. I couldn't sleep last night because of how furious I was with how stupid you people are. And, that has been a regular theme throughout all the TWGs. Me doing amazing things for the Humans, and other fools going behind my back and undermining me.

-Tass out.

A few things... Like I said, I didn't have to try to be too human since we had the game in the bag with blah. I couldn't reveal any information because it would have been far too suspicious. That, and I'd forgotten how to be human.

About the guard, you seem to have gravely misunderstood what everyone was saying. Reds do not have to kill a guard, they only have to attack them and ditch their priority. So, you're half right. When everyone said we didn't have to kill the guards, they were right. When you say we had to attack the guards to live, you were right.

Regarding the trust, I wish I had been a human because I would have held you to your statement of never lying. It'd be a good point on which to lynch you if you ever lied. I even mentioned that to blah when we were trying to lynch you (which was considerably easier without you here to defend yourself).

And about the last paragraph I quoted, wah. Nobody knew how to play this game, and it showed.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[Squeek]

I wanted to add that Hans needs to stop playing if his intuition is going to be right this often. I swear, he's been right in the last 5 games about the roles / rooms.

The only thing he needs to do is act on it.

~Squeek

[Kilgamayan]

That's about all I have to say except, Tasselfoot. Get the $*%# over yourself. If a room is "unimportant," you should have no problem telling me what's in it. This is what you get for trying to win the goddamn game on your own. Stop making such a big deal out of this. IT'S A GAME. ON THE INTERNET.

THE INTERNET: SERIOUS BUSINESS

On a side note, I was just reading over the ending story, and...

Purple reaches for her IV to pull it out.

“Not quite,” says Campbell, gesturing at her to stop. “We're not quite through with you yet. We're going to do this again until you get it right – we can't afford to have any slip-ups when you do the real thing. Founders, load the program.”

“Aye, sir.”

The fifteen soldiers all stare at them in disbelief. A few try to undo their IVs, but the strength seeps out of them before they can do so.

“Good luck, soldiers.”

Does that sounds to anyone else here like a setup for a mass rape sequence?

[stretchypanda]

On a side note, I was just reading over the ending story, and...

Purple reaches for her IV to pull it out.

“Not quite,” says Campbell, gesturing at her to stop. “We're not quite through with you yet. We're going to do this again until you get it right – we can't afford to have any slip-ups when you do the real thing. Founders, load the program.”

“Aye, sir.”

The fifteen soldiers all stare at them in disbelief. A few try to undo their IVs, but the strength seeps out of them before they can do so.

“Good luck, soldiers.”

Does that sounds to anyone else here like a setup for a mass rape sequence?

I laughed out loud.. even though I'd be the one getting massraped. It's my punishment for being too disinterested in the game! :O

[User6773]

The next game of this will be the real thing, not another VR simulation. (Hopefully.)

[HansSky]

Well, that was fun, being a wolf for the first time.


But, it made me a little wary. I didn't want to contact anyone at all, because I didn't know if I'd sound wolfish or not. The only people I talked to outside of the Patriot Alliance were: Gray, Indigo, and White.

Gray and Indigo were just asking where I went...what I did. I kind of freaked out a little, because I had no idea what to do. So I just went and pulled the, "No, YOU'RE the asshole" thing. When I talked to White, it was about lynching Gray, which I was very happy to do. If he were to be in the game much longer, we would have lost, I think.

Plus, I never kept much of an alliance with anybody before, so I was supposed to talk to people AND lie. Very hard for me. :-\

And when Chardish said the humans screwed youselves over, you really did. You gave out WAY too much information, which led to your death.

We're sneakers. Going to C3. If somebody else shows up, then you know one of us is a wolf. Great. UNLESS the Reds know where a GAS TERMINAL IS. Plus, we knew where Green and Indigo were going, so we cut them off and killed them. PLUS Tass' lynching.

5 kills in one round. THAT is what screwed you guys over. Also, we never would have been able to do it without blah, so he gets my player of the year vote.

o yea

+1 intuition

[Tasselfoot]

Guido, Chardish told me that about the guards after I wrote that. I didn't want to change anything about it though. Hence why I said I would be writing more now, after the fact.

So, I was DEAD ON RIGHT about Orange and Blue, but no one listens to the genius. Panda, thanks for getting me lynched. As I said in the other post, all you had to do was push me a little, because as you said, unimportant rooms aren't that important, and aren't a big deal for me to keep secret.

So, I read the wolves' notes that Guido posted, and they made me smile. You guys had absolutely no intel from me. Funny about that, huh. I told Whorli all my intel (she was looking at my spreadsheet in person), because she wasn't initially in the game. Then Olive was extremely inactive so Chardish removed whoever it was and asked her to replace Olive. By that point I had already been talking to her for over a day about strategy, and had mentioned numerous times as to my humanity. She joins, I look into her eyes and ask her if she is a wolf, she says no, I trust her 100%. I read her like a picture book. The only other person I told specifically about what I found was Alain, who told me he found a gas terminal in A1, so I told him about mine in A8. Blah was being extra anal about his locator room, for there was a dead Flypie there too. And, I already knew about that room too.

My plan, that I alluded to earlier, was to have 2 people use map terminals to locate 10 different rooms. Whorli was getting a stinger from A4, and eb didn't seem to be in the open idea-sharing and teamwork mode at that point, so I asked Blah to help with it. He told me after my death his plan to go to B8 (where I said I was going) and kill me. But, I had thought about that, and was still undecided as to whether I'd go to B8 or go to A3 (where Blah said he would be). Most likely, I was going to go to A3. No harm in us both using the same map terminal, and this way, if he lied to me, I could prove it easily.

Back to the information. The key here was that EVERYONE who was human was telling me what they found. That made it extremely easy to figure out who the wolves were. Again, eveyone else was too brickheaded to think about it logically. And I don't care that this was the first run of the game, thinking illogically is not something that should die because we're playing a new game. The 3 humans who voted for me (Cypher, Panda, Kefit), you really should have realized how poor the arguments were from Blue, Orange, and ESPECIALLY MAROON! Casting the final vote to lynch me when we had been working so hard as a team through the game. If huge flashing neon signs and loud whistles weren't going off, serious logical fallacies are abound. Kefit, you should really know by now that the revenge voting pattern is absolutely terrible for human victory, which was essentially what your vote for me was. Also, why did no one come to the conclusion that the wolves would be VERY hardpressed to start a bandwagon against someone, instead of jumping on another's.

Lastly, I must attack my beloved. It wouldn't be fair for me to berate tons of others without being an equal opportunity asshole. Hun, you should have saved me. Period. I know we talked briefly about this, but here is my full logic (no claiming that you have no logic!): You knew 100% that I was human, but never posted once after they started the lynch for me. You said you tried to talk to Cypher and someone else (Panda, I think) to change their votes, but you obviously negleted the obvious (no hard feelings, you're good at that). Also, why did you not login as me and post that I was changing my vote to no lynch? At least then it would have been 6-6 and a coinflip for my life, if you couldn't get one of the big three to switch. This whole thing was very unfortunate due to not only me being on a train, but my cellphone being dead. Had my phone been working, I could have told you what to do over the phone, and saved myself. Alas, thing did not work out so cleanly. No hard feelings love (I can never be mad/upset at you), but be wary, you shall incur the wrath of the 2 fingers of death tonight.

As always when I make long posts, I'm likely leaving out information. But, if I am, I'll add it later.

Editing in screenshot of the intel I had after 2 days. (Ugh, its not letting me upload into this forum. Fix this please LD.)

[HansSky]

Also, why did you not login as me and post that I was changing my vote to no lynch? At least then it would have been 6-6 and a coinflip for my life, if you couldn't get one of the big three to switch.

Yes, of course. And then you both would have gotten kicked out!

[blahblah18]

As they say...
"its good to be the king"
ok going in reverse order, Tass that wouldn't have saved you since because I knew they were both map terminals I was going to go to one and have either hans or guido go to the other... so you were dying either way, and WE were getting 10 rooms... Guido's document isn't all the intel we had.. I ahd like 5 more rooms or so that I forgot to mention to him now and then...

The only thing I feel that needs fixing is alert mode, and the best way to fix it is to say that guards ignore Reds... except that can lead to some perfect incriminating evidence, so I'm not sure about it. A better way is to make the movement of the guards ALWAYS random.

You need a different class instead of warrior now... sneaker evades alert mode and kills guards, hacker detects false terminals, which IS important, we just never hacked any A) because we kept getting victory rooms and shit, and B) I knew everyone's class and how most peopel were hackers. So that's something to think on.

I had indigo's trust completely, and I didn't want to have to kill him, but he was extracting info from me, and he would've seen the destroyed superlocator so he had to die.

Flypie told me that she foudn otacon, so I knew I had to do major persuading to kill her immediately and to keep his presence silent. I did both of those, killed her, and took control of my little NPC, I was about to annoucne him anonymously on the forum, but the game ended.

You guys can't say the room you are currently in during decision phase... we just sit in gas rooms while you tell us where to kill you.

Tass, I understand how you'd be upset about being lynched, but honestly, looking back at it... It made no difference whatsoever in the long run, and I would've actually rather have lynched Red, cuz I knew you were dying next turn anyway.

Again, 64 rooms was perfect... If you make it smaller you have to absolutely positively get rid of the map terminal.

I'll post more as I think of it, but I feel that this was a good game for me for being the "bad guy" for the first time.

P.S I also have a ton of more strategies ready to use to finish off the last of you, only Guido and Hans know them now though

[stretchypanda]

So, I was DEAD ON RIGHT about Orange and Blue, but no one listens to the genius. Panda, thanks for getting me lynched. As I said in the other post, all you had to do was push me a little, because as you said, unimportant rooms aren't that important, and aren't a big deal for me to keep secret.

Your welcome.

You keep saying the logic behind lynching you was unfounded, when it certainly wasn't. You definitely played the role of stupid human this round.

1) I tell you the location of THE MOST IMPORTANT PIECE OF THE MISSION, and you can't tell me what's in two rooms. Okay, so we've been down this road, and the rooms were unimportant. However, this makes you look VERY suspicious. Oh, but you needed a little push? HELLO! I KNOW WHERE MGGHOST IS! IS THAT NOT ENOUGH OF A PUSH?

2) I tell you I know where Ghost is, hoping to get the code to open the door. When I won't tell you where it is, you threaten to use a locator on me. Add that to the fact that I know how you play this game, and what am I supposed to think? You acted like a wolf.

No, you weren't given the opportunity to defend yourself, but your girlfriend tried for you. Which brings me to this:

IT'S (as previously stated) JUST A GODDAMN GAME, DO NOT INSULT THE INTELLIGENCE OF YOUR GIRLFRIEND. ESPECIALLY in such a patronizing manner.

I cannot BELIEVE you put so much stock into this, as to declare anyone playing a complete idiot, and believe that you alone can save us all from the depths of our stupidity. Stop acting so superior. You seem to think the humans would have won this had you stayed alive. Not counting you, they had FOUR of us on the SECOND movement. The wolves had this one in the bag.

[Tasselfoot]

I never said they didn't. And, as Blah said, I was dead the next turn anyway. IT IS THE PRINCIPLE OF THE MATTER, NOT THE MATTER ITSELF.

Panda, you asked me about the rooms. I said they weren't important. You asked a 2nd time, I said it again, but let you make your own choices about finding out. Turns out 2 people went to C4 (one of the two rooms I was talking about) on movement 3. Funny. Regardless, had you said "Gray, I really need something back from you in return for that intel." I most likely would have, and looking back, I should have given up info earlier. My mistake with that.

I did not declare everyone an idiot. Blah played this brilliantly. Alain was on the right track, but was properly killed by Blah. I'm sure most people didn't play awfully, but also didn't stand out. I know as well as everyone else that there are things we'll learn from this game, and mistakes that were made. That is fine. I never once criticized the moves that were made that will be learned from. I am, and will continue to do so for as long as needed, talking about the LOGIC that people are using to make some of their decisions.

So Panda, you'd have me not voice my opinions about another player in the game? Just because of my relationship with Whorli doesn't change any facts whatsoever in her play. I would be extremely hypocritical if I went and attacked everyone and left her alone because of our intimacies. I am extremely blunt (as I'm sure y'all know), and I say what I feel.

To Hans: She knew I was human, everyone knows we are in regular contact, Blah knew I was on a train and couldn't defend myself, I could easily have asked her to post for me, or asked her to ask chardish to post for me. Just because I wasn't able to actually due it (due to dead phone), doesn't mean that that isn't exactly what I would have done had I been able to use said dead phone.

[Kilgamayan]

Given this new rise of information, I think we should instate a new rule that boyfriend/girlfriend pairs aren't allowed to play in the same game, since we have no idea what they could be doing IRL in oreder to gain some sort of advantage.

[Tasselfoot]

This is what I knew on day 2, who told me, etc. I had other notes, but this is the most interesting page.

[User6773]

I know Tass well enough to know that when he calls you an idiot here, he means it solely within the context of the game.

Yes, he's got a huge ego, but we've all got our character quirks

[User6773]

The spreadsheets you've all been waiting for.






Please excuse the notation on the last one, it's hard to understand and I'm not consistent.