On the subject of Toxicity/Community Check-in (TWG)

[mellonxcollie]

Re: On the subject of Toxicity/Community Check-in (TWG)

As for funnygurl's quotes on shadow, holy moly. I think Shadow did more insult flinging than MML this game. But when I read his posts, I don't get any malicious intent as I do when MML lets loose an insult even though I really should.

Same here. Lewdy is a very excitable person and just posts his unfiltered reactions to things

I legit want to beat you with a chair for this

Let me get this straight: You see two wagons going, Sunfan and WV

Your best play for that is voting YOURSELF?

does anybody really think Lewdy actually wants to beat Subs with a chair? or is this just his emotional reaction to Subs doing a silly play?

Some people can be really mean spirited but Lewdy is not one of those people. he just isn't. He just gets super into things and has big reactions

Maybe can we have a vote of people who actually think this is a problem vs who does not see it as a big deal? Because honestly I don't see a problem and I'm more worried about scaring people like Lewdy away than the few newbies we may occasionally get. I do wish that Bugkid would play again but they also said they didn't like the format of forum TWG so even if the game went differently, not everyone is going to be into this way of playing.

I agree with Roundbox in that I think we have improved a lot over the years.

[YoshL]

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I still think that overarching limiting rules about conduct won't ever give enough specified and nuanced coverage of the interactions that go on in TWG.

I'm still thinking that having just an outside player, whether it be a host or a mod outside of the game be able to take concerns about conduct privately. Optionally, the report post button can be used, mods (including twg mods) will be able to see those reports, and can be reviewed case-by-case

[Funnygurl555]

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so it's ok for shadowgod to make those kinds of posts but not mml

why?

[Makilaz]

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I still think that overarching limiting rules about conduct won't ever give enough specified and nuanced coverage of the interactions that go on in TWG.

I'm still thinking that having just an outside player, whether it be a host or a mod outside of the game be able to take concerns about conduct privately. Optionally, the report post button can be used, mods (including twg mods) will be able to see those reports, and can be reviewed case-by-case

obviously we're never going to be able to list out every conceivable thing that is okay or not, that's impossible. having some sort of code of conduct that we can point to and go "hey don't be like this" is a very necessary thing to have

add a catch-all "don't be a dick and don't explicitly try to find loopholes" and we're good. it's kind of amazing we've gone this long without a CoC tbh

[Makilaz]

Re: On the subject of Toxicity/Community Check-in (TWG)

so it's ok for shadowgod to make those kinds of posts but not mml

why?

further to this point making sure whatever method is used for working out problematic behavior is applied evenly to everyone is also super super important

a line will need to be drawn and certain people shouldn't be given extra leeway for whatever reason. if two people can make the exact same post and be treated differently for it then that's a problem that needs fixing

[mellonxcollie]

Re: On the subject of Toxicity/Community Check-in (TWG)

But when I read his posts, I don't get any malicious intent as I do when MML lets loose an insult

Some people can be really mean spirited but Lewdy is not one of those people. he just isn't. He just gets super into things and has big reactions

That's the difference between Lewdy and Lar. It's the same difficult to define characteristic of "I know it when I read it" but it is the intent and the intensity behind the words

[Funnygurl555]

Re: On the subject of Toxicity/Community Check-in (TWG)

what

[Makilaz]

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hot take incoming

perhaps the community would be better off if we didn't insult each other all the time? regardless of intent or intensity or whatever, that's super hard for a newbie/outsider to work out. this is the kind of game that can get emotional but it really shouldn't be too much to ask to not actually insult folks during it

[Netjet!]

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I've been reading this and the other thread a bit, and I think that getting heated is sometimes very beneficial to a game, but should it not be up to the moderators to police/manage behavior that goes past the line? I think the outcome of this is to have a team of multiple people who can moderate properly and come to independent conclusions so as to avoid favoritism. Spirit of the game should be kept up but when people cross the line and it starts to get meta then they step in to stop it.

[Shadow_God_10]

Re: On the subject of Toxicity/Community Check-in (TWG)

hot take incoming

perhaps the community would be better off if we didn't insult each other all the time? regardless of intent or intensity or whatever, that's super hard for a newbie/outsider to work out. this is the kind of game that can get emotional but it really shouldn't be too much to ask to not actually insult folks during it

I mean it's not like we're out here roasting the shit out of each other.

For me, yeah, I can get pretty heated and emotional when I'm heavily invested in a game like this and I can fly off the handle. But it's all in good fun at the end of the day in my opinion and anything I might say, or if we're using Lar as another example should be taken with a grain of salt in terms of actually insulting people vs trying to get what we want out of them, which is information, thoughts, and opinions.

[Makilaz]

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I mean it's not like we're out here roasting the shit out of each other.

sure, and folks who've been here a while and know the crowd understand that. but from someone on the outside looking in it could very much look like actual vitriol, especially during particularly spirited arguments

i'm not necessarily trying to say we need to be 100% polite to each other in every single action, but it definitely could stand to be toned down a bit at the very least

[Shadow_God_10]

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so it's ok for shadowgod to make those kinds of posts but not mml

why?

I'm fine with being called out for anything I say that might come across as "toxic" or "mean". I do tend to hurl out light jabs at people when I get annoyed with them, but I'm not going for that Mike Tyson knock out punch if you get what I'm saying

[the sun fan]

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-Adam being force replaced as a result. Most people agreed his posts were disgusting (pretty sure they were re: someone's mental health, and therefore crossed the line being too personal
-rzr being super banned not only for cheating, but lying, making excuses, and insulting his way through the situation. The super ban came from the discussion afterwards for posts he directed towards choof which were personal and disgusting in nature.

adam requested replacement, I did not force replace him, just for the record

[the sun fan]

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I think that lewdy's posts there, even though they're obviously not seriously meant, would violate what I would want to move forward with
I know the intent behind words matters as well, but that can't undermine the impact of the typed words themselves

[the sun fan]

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i'm not sure what the best method for choosing the two new moderators would be tbh
I know two people (maybe more) in fg and makilaz have volunteered and maybe its as simple as that
force has been mentioned, not sure if he's said he'll do it himself
star has been mentioned as well
apologies if I've missed anyone