The SMGroove Community Revival Pack is released! (page 1 for link)

[JenovaSephiroth]

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I'm going to use far less jacks next time I submit a file to something.

I promise. ^^

Anyway, I thought that this pack came out fairly decently. There were lots of layered stuff... but sometimes layered is a good thing.

Also, I've just started making sims again recently, so we'll see what's in store for the future.

(Favorite sim from this pack: Under the Sky)

[L_eMo_N]

Re: The SMGroove Community Revival Pack is released! (page 1 for link)

lol!!!!! under the sky is my most favoritest song ever n.n

[DigitalS3r4ph]

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Is everyone going to just ignore Ducky's review here?

It was pretty nice.

[ClAsSiC_RoCkEr]

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I seriously doubt you read all of my replies dondon.

I already stated earlier that his comments and advice were both appreciated and helpful. Yet, there was the issue for amateur artists dealing with his insults. But here's something to think about, I'm criticizing him now am I? So tell me. Me telling him to tone it down... Is that cruel? Would you bash on me for telling him "holy **** wtf is wrong with your ass, learn to criticize correctly you dim-witted POS"? But that's what you're saying, right? You just told me that being cruel to someone whilst telling them what's wrong with them is correct. And you, dondon. Learn to argue, you dull SOB. You're so ****ing bad at this rofl. Just end your life and became an hero. Is that the sort of motivation you want?

This discussion is over.

EDIT - Thanks much for the input, ducky.

[DigitalS3r4ph]

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I seriously doubt you read all of my replies dondon.

I already stated earlier that his comments and advice were both appreciated and helpful. Yet, there was the issue for amateur artists dealing with his insults. But here's something to think about, I'm criticizing him now am I? So tell me. Me telling him to tone it down... Is that cruel? Would you bash on me for telling him "holy **** wtf is wrong with your ass, learn to criticize correctly you dim-witted POS"? But that's what you're saying, right? You just told me that being cruel to someone whilst telling them what's wrong with them is correct. And you, dondon. Learn to argue, you dull SOB. You're so ****ing bad at this rofl. Just end your life and became an hero. Is that the sort of motivation you want?

This discussion is over.

First of all Classic_Rocker; Other than you, I pretty much KNOW all the sim artists except for like JenovaSephiroth, and I don't see anyone (Not even Dore) who had submitted, here in FFR and in SMGroove itself, complaining directly about my opinions on the files, except for you, but you're not even nagging me about the critique I gave you- Just on the other peeps' files.

Secondly, you /really/ aren't getting whatever point you want to get across, forward. dondon seems to be responding to your posts perfectly fine, but if you're wanting to argue you're just as bad as Alioth- You're not making sense out of whatever invisible 'point' you're trying to get across, because dondon's found a valid argument for everything you've pointed out.

Thirdly, I could care less if you 'critiqued my judgement,' even harshly; Honestly I wouldn't care in the least, lol. Even if you had referred to one of my simfiles as ****, I wouldn't debate it because it's your opinion and harsh critique is something I'm used to. It's up to the simauthors I reviewed files for to take heed of what I said. Also, IIRC I put constructive criticism in some shape or form for EVERY simfile I made an opinion on, and would gladly elaborate for you in layman's terms if you're so dense as to not know what to take from it to apply to your future sims.

For example, Jenovasephiroth knows now not to abuse jacks so much, and will apply that to future works. TheChild will remember (Hopefully) to pick a better, more appealing and interesting song to step and play, and I know Legacy won't listen to a damn thing I say but he's gay anyways. IMHO, Dore is the only one who has the right to complain.

Also, bringing Mitchell BS into your posts to make you seem cooler isn't really helping you out here.

[ClAsSiC_RoCkEr]

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I'm pretty sure I mentioned taking your advice several times already and saw the flaws in my works going a second time through keeping what you said in mind. And I'm still in the process of playing through all the files in this pack so I don't think it's necessary to ask for advice for my files yet.

There's no way to respond to a post like that when my point is pretty clear. In essence, tone down the harsh critique. All my posts hook back to that point and that point only unless someone tried testing me to make me look like a fool, thus, defending myself. I really don't see how I didn't make my point clear.

Lastly, that criticism about your judgment was purely hypothetical to try to make myself clearer...

[dondon151]

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I seriously doubt you read all of my replies dondon.

I already stated earlier that his comments and advice were both appreciated and helpful. Yet, there was the issue for amateur artists dealing with his insults. But here's something to think about, I'm criticizing him now am I? So tell me. Me telling him to tone it down... Is that cruel? Would you bash on me for telling him "holy **** wtf is wrong with your ass, learn to criticize correctly you dim-witted POS"? But that's what you're saying, right? You just told me that being cruel to someone whilst telling them what's wrong with them is correct. And you, dondon. Learn to argue, you dull SOB. You're so ****ing bad at this rofl. Just end your life and became an hero. Is that the sort of motivation you want?

This discussion is over.

there is a difference. tsuka is more justified to say whatever he wants; he's not obligated to post feedback. personally, i thought tsuka did a great job with trying to be helpful and also with telling those who hadn't downloaded the pack what the files are like. meanwhile, you make an inflammatory remark saying how tsuka's spouting bull****, and insult him for something that he was not obligated to do.

i concede that i seem sort of hypocritical with explaining how harsh criticism is justified, and i apologize. hopefully i explained myself well enough.

i think you are the one who needs to learn how to argue. the point of arguing is not to win, but to further one's understanding. i'm also quite sure that an argument is an attack on the idea, not on the person.

rofl @ "this discussion is over."

and why should we tone down the harsh critique? it is the most effective.

[DigitalS3r4ph]

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I won't stop giving harsh critique until I see proof that it doesn't help a simartist improve. Sorry.

[ClAsSiC_RoCkEr]

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I didn't mean to sound like I was trying to target DS, so I apologize for that.

However, that's not exactly what I'm getting at.

I don't think I said it clearly, but what I meant was that you're driving away most simfile artists that want to be a part of the SM Community and contribute because they want to continue doing what they enjoy, not that you're decreasing their ability to make good files. But that passtime is gone because of the harsh criticism. I hope that made more sense.

[DigitalS3r4ph]

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I don't think I said it clearly, but what I meant was that you're driving away most simfile artists that want to be a part of the SM Community and contribute because they want to continue doing what they enjoy, not decrease their ability to make good files. But that passtime is gone because of the harsh criticism. I hope that made more sense.

Based on what evidence? Like I said before, some of those sim authors that have contributed are on the verge of becoming upper-tier, and it's not because people have gone "Oh your files are good! Make tons more!" (That creates people like Kevin_18, Kika, and co. who have made so many files and have not improved after creating one.) Thanh's older files were bad, Ossa's older files were bad, my older files were ridiculously bad, Kommisar's were nothing worth noting ever, Kn33gr0w was bad, Stargroup was lmao bad (But now he's decent)--Trust me, when you release something and get praised for it, it is an extremely good feeling and definitely worth it.

The point of it is, you'll have to either put up or shut up. You can't expect everyone to spray your trash with flowers and expect to become better smelling; if you can't take harsh critique, then maybe being a sim author isn't for you. Overall I think the pack was fairly successful in it's intent.

(Unless you're dondon151 or Breekan or some other Sim-Prodigy haha, I don't ever recall seeing a file from them that I thought was poorly made)

[Kn33groW]

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Could not have possibly been said better by anyone else.


If you STILL dont understand tsuka then please just dont comment anymore. Its pointless, go reread me don duck yess and tsukas comments until the concept makes sense.

k, will give my personal review later. Now, bed.

[ThanhSakiSuki]

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You can't expect everyone to spray your trash with flowers and expect to become better smelling; if you can't take harsh critique, then maybe being a sim author isn't for you.

Great analogy here.

[kommisar[os]]

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ducky's review is the one i found the most understanding next to tsuka's. the reason i made a pack is to see how much we could accomplish. i WANTED to get critiques and things to improve, though maybe some simartists didn't appreciate the comments.

[XOX]

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I just can't stop laugh at those dudies that is like "omg! he said that my file sucked, I'LL ****ING KILL HIM, and myself"
omg... why don't respect the words that comes from the "pros"? they're just helping you guys!

[Spenner]

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I don't think they clearly get the message of 'help'. These people are 'harsh' to make you want to make your sims better; if they sit there and tell you "Good try, though not the best+ might as well give you nothing to improve" then there is no reason for them to review you. Take their critique, actually think about it and relate it to your work. If you get into the habit of making very good files, harshness could become scarce.