FFR Community Pack Summer 2012 (Submissions Closed)

[ddr_f4n]

Re: FFR Community Pack Summer 2012 (Submissions Open)

if you really want to get new players in, you need to have 4 chart songs and release on stepmania.com and other popular sm-based websites.


also quality over quantity. people have gotten much better at making files, but that doesn't mean things should be more lenient either. I'd rather be able to play 30 gems than 60 average files (i'm guilty of sending these kinds of files all the time hehu)


if a fully charted solo pack can get nearly 2k downloads, imagine how well a fully charted 4key pack would do

Or a pad pack solely based on one obscure shmup series can get over 2k dl's :V

PS: I always like to chart fully (last remote was just an exception)

[dAnceguy117]

Re: FFR Community Pack Summer 2012 (Submissions Open)

>I've also enforced the usage of the Notes Per Second (NPS) difficulty rating system since LCP3. It's a much more accurate and objective way to rate difficulties than any other scale

cool, I was just gonna ask how to rate my charts. is there an automatic NPS calculator out there or anything like that?

[Choofers]

Re: FFR Community Pack Summer 2012 (Submissions Open)

average NPS + FudgeFactor(TM)

[Gundam-Dude]

Re: FFR Community Pack Summer 2012 (Submissions Open)

4 chart songs

Asking for way too much out of people in the community. I'm factoring in how lazy and half-assed people are with easier difficulties (even I'm guilty for doing it). It's hard enough to get people to make an extra chart but asking for 4 is overkill.

Ignoring the fact that only a small group of people play and step for solo, Solo Rulz 2 is the perfect example of what happens when you're this demanding of charts. And I don't have the time or generosity to fill in easier difficulties for every file like Solo Monogatari and Solord State Squad.

and release on stepmania.com

Until stepmania.com's grudge against FFR ever gets put behind them, no one there will support any packs that has FFR in the name. Sure, the packs would get more downloads, but the fact remains that there exist a good number of people there who hate the FFR community's guts, especially after all that dumbass forum raiding shenanigans done in the past.

As much as nobody wants to acknowledge the fact that QED is basically the most prolifically known simfile author, he also has the largest fan base and insulting him insults all his followers. After all the bashing shenanigans in the past, people still hold grudges and hate FFR's guts.

also quality over quantity.

Where do you draw the line?

This is a debate that can drag on forever. I've been observing both the simfile and player sides of SM closely for years, so I can more or less pick out which files people would actually play—that's exactly what I've been doing for every Season pack, if you haven't already realized. If certain individuals don't find files "good" (*cough* Chancellor elitist opinions *cough*), you should always remember that someone else will like it.

Prioritizing quality over quantity is taking a step back into the Chancellor era, quite frankly. Even if it was still me being sole judge, ultimately it's going to narrow itself back down to a tiny circle, which is something I would avoid at all costs. The Season packs were never about quantity over quality, it was always based around diversity to appeal to every player in the community. The fact that I get flooded with submissions every time I do these packs is why they end up being huge. Until I start enforcing a submissions limit rule per simfile author (including aliases), the packs will always be large in size regardless.


I don't want to start DRaMa or heated debates of sorts but I wanted to bring to light that the current situation isn't as easy to solve as it seems. I can make a ton of progress if the individuals that submit put in the necessary effort to aim towards the "goal" of getting new players in, but until then these packs aren't going to change much unless I enforce new rules and/or standards.

And I already do realize, it's impossible to achieve this "goal" until stepmania.com is made -the- epicenter for everything SM. I've already expressed way too many ****ing times that it's incredibly difficult to start playing this game when you have so many communities divided amongst each other, and creating a new community that has everything isn't going to be of any success until the proper affiliations with stepmania.com are settled and made.

[Arntonach]

Re: FFR Community Pack Summer 2012 (Submissions Open)

Yay for more newbie questions, but what's a fudge factor?

[Gundam-Dude]

Re: FFR Community Pack Summer 2012 (Submissions Open)

cool, I was just gonna ask how to rate my charts. is there an automatic NPS calculator out there or anything like that?

total tap notes in song / [(time of last note - time of first note) + 0.125 (1/8th note)] = raw NPS (0-0.499 is rounded down, 0.5-0.999 is rounded up)

1/8th note is added to balance out extremely short songs. If a song is ended on a hold, the time used is the start of the hold.

After getting a raw NPS calculation, apply FudgeFactor which takes into consideration all the subjective aspects of the simfile—difficulty of patterns, speed, density, etc. In short, you're adding/subtracting to the raw NPS to get a much more accurate measuring.

Short songs usually need to be fudged down a larger amount because the calculations always end up larger than it seems. From personal usage, I have only fudged down/up raw NPS by 1–4.

[dAnceguy117]

Re: FFR Community Pack Summer 2012 (Submissions Open)

fuc I completely forgot the SM editor gives you the total number of notes lmao. thanks for the formuler, GD. always good to be precise as possible. I also thoroughly enjoy the concept and name of FudgeFactor (o:

Until stepmania.com's grudge against FFR ever gets put behind them, no one there will support any packs that has FFR in the name. Sure, the packs would get more downloads, but the fact remains that there exist a good number of people there who hate the FFR community's guts, especially after all that dumbass forum raiding shenanigans done in the past.

As much as nobody wants to acknowledge the fact that QED is basically the most prolifically known simfile author, he also has the largest fan base and insulting him insults all his followers. After all the bashing shenanigans in the past, people still hold grudges and hate FFR's guts.

I had no idea. that sucks. maybe the whole SM community here could make a collective effort to patch relations with stepmania.com via banners that say "we wuv u and we sorry! lets be bffls!"

I kid, of course, but a serious effort should be made imo. the sooner the better, too.

[ddr_f4n]

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SM is all about crappy pad charts. At least that's what I saw.

PS: I hate QED but my packs are still being dl'd :V

[kommisar]

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it's not completely impossible. if you did ask for 4 charts, no matter how lazy people are they would eventually do it. better yet, they would probably only bother to fully chart files that they consider quite good and worthy of doing. I know I would probably see it this way.

solo rulz 2 I already knew would take a very long time because the ratio of people who play and people who make files is like 1:100. I've already been doing all the easier charts for the files that have been submitted meanwhile and easier charts won't be the reason for this pack's delay anyways.

stepmania.com is all up to cHrIs DanFoeiorjdiojdf if he wants to legitimately keep interest in his game alive. Though ideally they would want us all to move over there and set up community shop there but we all know that won't happen any time soon



ait I realize quality over quantity is subjective, but maybe where i'm getting at is that the packs' names no longer have any individual appeal to them. If xoon 6 were ever made I don't think it would've gotten as much praise just because it's "another xoon pack". look at the vocamania packs lmao

[ddr_f4n]

Re: FFR Community Pack Summer 2012 (Submissions Open)

Only pack that got popular was the Party Pack, and only the 1st one. The others aren't getting that popular.

[kommisar]

Re: FFR Community Pack Summer 2012 (Submissions Open)

vocamania 10 released

[ddr_f4n]

Re: FFR Community Pack Summer 2012 (Submissions Open)

vocamania 10 released

...I should totally post my Vocaloid pack at Vocamania and watch it take all their fans away eh? :V

[Choofers]

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beating a dead horsune miku

[kommisar]

Re: FFR Community Pack Summer 2012 (Submissions Open)

fjdsklajf

[Arntonach]

Re: FFR Community Pack Summer 2012 (Submissions Open)

But Hatsune Miku is the vocal slut everyone uses. Or do you prefer Touhou Remix Pack XII?

Also, I'll fix the Healing Vision RMX and Interrupt gfx up so they're not dirty.

EDIT: They're fixed now.