How do you recognize a double step?

[akstylish]

Re: How do you recognize a double step?

I can pass hasse mich ex, but it's not even close to hard for you, is it?

[Izzy]

Re: How do you recognize a double step?

Obviously that's easy for you to say.

I was implying that double stepping isn't a concern on spread, because you have 4 fingers. Sorry, wasn't trying to be a douche.

[akstylish]

Re: How do you recognize a double step?

I was implying that double stepping isn't a concern on spread, because you have 4 fingers. Sorry, wasn't trying to be a douche.

np, it was my fault that I misunderstood you.

[Patashu]

Re: How do you recognize a double step?

Long streams that never crossover are going to fall into a pattern where the red/blue notes are all on the left, down and up columns while the yellow notes are all on the down, up and right columns or vice versa.

[dore]

Re: How do you recognize a double step?

Double steps occur with two notes in a row. In any straight stream two notes in a row will never be the same color. Not sure what you are talking about unless you are saying that over a whole measure this will happen. If that's the case i have never paid enough attention to realize this.

Notice how you have to doublestep that pattern (this isn't a pad chart but it's a good example). If you have a right then left on either yellow or red/blue you will always have to doublestep or cross over.

super secret ffr filez itt

also patashu said the same thing lol juse noticed

[Izzy]

Re: How do you recognize a double step?

I've never noticed that. But that still isn't the only way a double can happen. It can happen before a whole measure is up to.

[Goldenwind]

Re: How do you recognize a double step?

Hmm. That could be done by doing a fairly advanced crossover... 180°... though depending on the BPM, it's likely not too practical

[dore]

Re: How do you recognize a double step?

I know, it's just an easy way to remember for a beginner. For example (Blue Army):



It's a very easy way to check to see if you've charted a doublestep, and then eventually you'll learn to pick it up without using a memory device.

also that run on the last page is at 240bpm or so so playing it on pad would be pretty impractical

[Goldenwind]

Re: How do you recognize a double step?

Just for clarification, crossovers break the rule dore mentioned above. Although you can double-step those.

Hell, you can double-step anything, but yeah. XD

Good demonstration.

[~Zero~]

Re: How do you recognize a double step?

here you go, double steps...



In the first set there's a left right jump then a down arrow that follows. If the down arrow is hit with your left foot you double step.

Next two examples are pretty easy. These examples are usually always double stepped unless you want to do some extremely ugly crosses.

Last example is the same as the first if the up arrow is hit with your right foot its a double step.

[Xiaounlimited]

Re: How do you recognize a double step?

The more 16th+ stream files you play, the more likely you are to be able to spot doublesteps. Doublestepping doesn't matter with 8th (or 8th triplet) stream. Really, explaining it won't help much IMO; it's really something that comes with experience and time.

Like Oni, I recognize a double step instantly without needing to tap my fingers or feet. I've been playing on pad long enough to realize what works and what doesn't. If you play enough, chances are you'll eventually be able to spot them instantly too. I think that's the easiest way. Dore, Patashu and Zero just confused me. :V

[akstylish]

Re: How do you recognize a double step?

Ok, here are (hopefully) all possible double step patterns I found:

Left foot first
DLU
DLR
ULD
ULR

Right foot first
DRU
DRL
URD
URL

Complete list(pattern in parentheses may repeat any number of times):
L(UD)LU
L(UD)LR
L(DU)LD
L(DU)LR
L(DU)DRU
L(DU)DRL
L(UD)URD
L(UD)URL

R(UD)RU
R(UD)RL
R(DU)RD
R(DU)RL
R(DU)DLU
R(DU)DLR
R(UD)ULD
R(UD)ULR

[Oni-Paranoia]

Re: How do you recognize a double step?

Ok, here are (hopefully) all possible double step patterns I found:

Left foot first
DLU
DLR
ULD
ULR

Right foot first
DRU
DRL
URD
URL

Complete list(pattern in parentheses may repeat any number of times):
L(UD)LU
L(UD)LR
L(DU)LD
L(DU)LR
L(DU)DRU
L(DU)DRL
L(UD)URD
L(UD)URL

R(UD)RU
R(UD)RL
R(DU)RD
R(DU)RL
R(DU)DLU
R(DU)DLR
R(UD)ULD
R(UD)ULR

Converting this to 0000 (.sm format)



Left Foot First
0100
1000
0010

0100
1000
0001

0010
1000
0100

0010
1000
0001

Right Foot First
0100
0001
0010

0100
0001
1000

0010
0001
0100

0010
0001
1000

The rest (left first)
1000
0010
0100
1000
0010

1000
0010
0100
1000
0001

1000
0100
0010
1000
0100

1000
0100
0010
1000
0001

1000
0100
0010
0100
0001
0010

1000
0100
0010
0100
0001
1000

1000
0010
0100
0010
0001
0100

1000
0010
0100
0010
0001
1000

The rest (right first)
0001
0010
0100
0001
0010

0001
0010
0100
0001
1000

0001
0100
0010
0001
0100

0001
0100
0010
0001
1000

0001
0100
0010
0100
1000
0010

0001
0100
0010
0100
1000
0001

0001
0010
0100
0010
1000
0100

0001
0010
0100
0010
1000
0001

Every pattern there is a double step assuming you're not purposely making yourself cross which NO one ever does (Occasionally I will on DDR). As far as streams go or mini-streams, those are the crosses in the 'dancing world'.

[TC_Halogen]

Re: How do you recognize a double step?

Converting this to 0000 (.sm format)

Every pattern there is a double step assuming you're not purposely making yourself cross which NO one ever does (Occasionally I will on DDR). As far as streams go or mini-streams, those are the crosses in the 'dancing world'.

*purposefully crosses*

As far as the same color = double-step rule, you can break that rule with a fairly simple crossover, granted that you do this pattern entirely:

1000
0100
0010
0100
0001
0100
0010
0100
1000

The numbers in green indicate that they are on the same beat.

You can also break that rule with any 2-step mini-jack, something like this:

1000
0100
0010
0001
0010
0100
1000
0001
0001

[...]


Note that the first note is a left, and the last note is a right, both 4th notes as well.

Also, associating double-steps with 3-step patterns (Oni/Akstylish) is a very bad idea because there are no three step patterns that cannot be crossed/done without doublestepping. A four arrow pattern would be a much better illustration. Step rhetoric 101.

[qqwref]

Re: How do you recognize a double step?

Disregarding jacks (which are always double steps if they're in a stream, right?) I think a more all-inclusive rule might be to look at two of the left/right arrows in a row. If they are the same color and on opposite sides, or of a different color and on the same side, you have a double step. However, if one left/right arrow would be the correct color relative to both the left/right arrow before AND after it if it was switched to the opposite side, it can be done with a crossover.

What I mean is, if you have LULURULUL you can do the R with a crossover because it's the only note that's out of line (if that note was an L the entire sequence would be okay, so it makes sense to use a crossover), but if you have LULURURUR you have to do a double step because otherwise you'd have to crossover for the entire series of R arrows.