why is everyone stepping hard instead of challenge?

[Kingdaro_]

i'm genuinely curious as to why 90% of the keyboard simfiles I download are stepped on hard, or some other random set of difficulties (challenge and easy, novice and medium, hard and edit) when the set of difficulties don't even correspond to their level (so much hard shit on novice????)

to me it'd make more sense to step the hardest difficulty on challenge, and this is usually annoying because other packs I have are stepped on multiple difficulties, and when one simfile is stepped highest on hard and a next simfile I choose has multiple difficulties, with the highest one stepped on challenge (as it should be in my opinion), I can accidentally select the hard level and I'd have to go back to the goddamn song menu to select challenge.

seriously, why the hell do people do this?

[psychoangel691]

Re: why is everyone stepping hard instead of challenge?

Super hard files get put on beginner usually because it doesn't fail you out if you fail the song.

[bmah]

Re: why is everyone stepping hard instead of challenge?

Sounds like a matter of preference, especially in the keyboard-stepping community. The formality of these matters is more precedent in the pad-stepping community where most people actually step a full range of difficulties for any given song. When you step more than one difficulty, it becomes more sensible to choose the correct difficulty according to each chart. In the keyboard community however, many people step only one chart per song, so choosing the difficulty is rather arbitrary.

However, there is a reason why a lot of people choose to put their harder charts on the beginner difficulty: placing a harder version on edit makes such a chart less visible to the player when he/she selects a song from the songwheel. The fact that scores don't really record on edit charts is possibly another reason. Finally, it could possibly be that it became conventional after some guy started doing it first.

The arbitrary nature might bother someone who's used to well-organized packs with fully-charted songs, but it's really of little inconvenience to most of us here.

[TC_Halogen]

Re: why is everyone stepping hard instead of challenge?

I'm not quite sure of this myself. I always put my keyboard charts on hard, but when I step for pad, I use Expert/Challenge/Oni/whatever, lol

[JenovaSephiroth]

Re: why is everyone stepping hard instead of challenge?

If you go back, like way back, to the default 3.9 theme, you'll remember that 10+ on Hard is colored red, and if its' Oni-only, it won't get that color. That's the logic I started out with and I haven't lost that habit since.

[gnr61]

Re: why is everyone stepping hard instead of challenge?

^song-title coloration became key during DCP, wherein the song difficulties for keyboard charts were first scaled to 1-10 instead of 10+. the 'boss' songs were specifically meant to be red. overall though it's as bmah said--difficulty for kb songs is fairly arbitrary. oftentimes you'll see Standard+Heavy or Heavy+Oni+(Edit), but rarely things like Light+Standard. just common practice 'round here i guess.

what psychoangel said is something I'd never considered lmao but it makes a lot of sense circa 2003 or whenever people first started using Beginner for the 'boss' difficulty (tamayura? vairocana?)

[Patashu]

Re: why is everyone stepping hard instead of challenge?

the practice of putting the hardest chart on beginner was spawned before edit existed. the logic was 'ok, I have my hard chart on heavy, my really hard chart on oni and my stupid to-the-limit-hard chart on beginner because if it was on oni people might think of it as a main chart'

the first people to do it were like...zaghurim? toph? don't know for certain

really, there just aren't many consistent conventions for stepmania keyboard charting since it sprang from the aether collectively

[gnr61]

Re: why is everyone stepping hard instead of challenge?

patashu detected

[Leo137]

Re: why is everyone stepping hard instead of challenge?

of course begginer is the hardest chart..

[Patashu]

Re: why is everyone stepping hard instead of challenge?

patashu detected

what can I do for you

[dore]

Re: why is everyone stepping hard instead of challenge?

I always do heavy as my chart that I want people to play mainly, and then oni for super-layerd but not dumb. Edit is reserved for dumb stuff, standard is for watered-down versions of the heavy chart. I basically never use light or beginner unless it's for easy charts that I have to include for a pack or TS or whatever.

[kommisar]

Re: why is everyone stepping hard instead of challenge?

nobody really cares about difficulty names lol

[Choofers]

Re: why is everyone stepping hard instead of challenge?

chart for vortex is on hard, chart for robotomy is on standard, now I gotta step one more song from that album on light

[Winrar]

Re: why is everyone stepping hard instead of challenge?

I always just pick oni first when trying new songs.

[dAnceguy117]

Re: why is everyone stepping hard instead of challenge?

def what bmah and puppet said. and patashu. and psychoangel. reach's tamayura and toph's the a la menthe were among the first files to include super hard charts in the novice/beginner slot. kinda funny, because those two guys had stepman simfile feuds on bemanistyle.

edit: Kingdaro, you could choose challenge/oni/expert on one file. the difficulty select should then jump to oni only on files that have an oni chart.