For FFR [10 or 11]

[EzExZeRo7497]

Re: For FFR [10 or 11]

270 BPM is quite a lot of speed demanded for a VC.

Like kono spoon, it can't be jumptrilled.

For that ending only... 11.

[hi19hi19]

Re: For FFR [10 or 11]

If we're talking ability to achieve good PA/AAA, this song is clearly an 11.
If we're talking ability to pass/read/FC, then this song is just a high 10.

The ending is not too bad in terms of speed required, it only feels like an FMO if from the viewpoint of trying to PA it.
But it is definitely FMO from that viewpoint lmao

I vote +1 to making it FMO, seeing as the ratings at the higher end of difficulty usually are predominantly based on difficulty to PA/AAA.

[bmah]

Re: For FFR [10 or 11]

A reminder to some people...please include a reason/argument to accompany your opinion. "definately an 11" is insufficient content for a post for example.

[Jerry DB]

Re: For FFR [10 or 11]

sorry just figured everyone covered why, it's an 11 because the ending is a bunch of hard to hit random frame rolls and would I can think of about 30 master songs that are easier to aaa then ffr.

For ffr is usally most players worst level 10 song also on their level ranks, it's been around forever too and has less aaa's then some master songs that came out YEARS later, with less gameplays

[SK8R43]

Re: For FFR [10 or 11]

In my Opinion, For FFR is not an 11. I have 4-1-0-1 on It and did it with One Hand, come on people its really not that hard. I can AAA the ending just about every try but the rest of the file is dumb. Just my 2 cents.
Edit: @ bmah- I just find that the ending is not that hard, it might be really really fast which could make it an 11(which i dont mind either way) But the patterns arent difficult to pull off even with the framers issue. Sorry if you dont like my 2 cents lol
All in all doesnt matter to me, could possibly go both ways but imo its more of a high 10

[bmah]

Re: For FFR [10 or 11]

I personally have a hard time deciding for this one. I've always said in other threads that I would determine difficulty by the ability to FC a song without mashing. In that respect, For FFR isn't overly difficult to FC. Even so, the statistics (both scores and age of the file) show otherwise. One thing to note is that the hard part occurs at the very end of the song. It's easy to get not one good, not two goods, but a whole slew of goods or averages, simply because an extremely fast 1324 pattern that's not jumptrillable is very difficult to pull off period.

It certainly would look nice if it turned into an 11 as it'd remove one of my worst 10s. But personal scores aside, it looks like everyone else has the same problems (with the exception of, hmm, bluearrow who apparently finds these patterns very easy to him). The fact that people consistently have the same problems as mentioned above has me leaning over towards the 11 side.

In my Opinion, For FFR is not an 11. I have 4-1-0-1 on It and did it with One Hand, come on people its really not that hard. I can AAA the ending just about every try but the rest of the file is dumb. Just my 2 cents.

Anecdotal experiences aside, -what- do you find easy in the file? That's the question you have to answer in your post. You need to convince others as to why it should be a 10, and saying that the song wasn't hard for you isn't convincing at all.

@rushy: that's right. (if you're referring to what I said above, that's not a part of my argument...I already mentioned physical aspects of the file)

[rushyrulz]

Re: For FFR [10 or 11]

For the record, "I have 500 FMO AAAs and I can't AAA this one" isn't a valid argument ever.

[lumphoboextreme]

Re: For FFR [10 or 11]

Well I AAA'd on a lucky run but I say it's an 11.

[Zon Fire]

Re: For FFR [10 or 11]

its a 10. the ending is the only "difficult" part. Because jump trilling is not very a practical method for PA'ing it

[rayword45]

Re: For FFR [10 or 11]

I'm torn on this one. The ending prevents me from an SDG which makes this a lot harder for me then most low-end FMOs. However, I could luck out (did so several times on isolation file) and the hard section is very brief.

The only way I justify a hard part bumping a song difficulty is if:

A. It takes up 10% of the files time
B. It's above the rest of the file drastically so that the short section is above the actual rating with everything else below (See: Largiloquent Dithyramb, RunnyMorning)

Is the hard section of For FFR really FGO-worthy though?

[gnr61]

Re: For FFR [10 or 11]

wait this file is currently a VC? lmfao

[rushyrulz]

Re: For FFR [10 or 11]

A. It takes up 10% of the files time

It takes up around 10% of the file's total arrows in a short period of time, definition of a difficulty spike.

B. It's above the rest of the file drastically so that the short section is above the actual rating with everything else below (See: Largiloquent Dithyramb, RunnyMorning)

It is.

Is the hard section of For FFR really FGO-worthy though?

FMO not FGO

[rayword45]

Re: For FFR [10 or 11]

FMO not FGO

Then in that case it should be a VC if the hard section is only FMO-worthy.

The jacks in LD and RunnyMorning are definitely FGO-worthy but everything else is high 9/low 10 level.

[leonid]

Re: For FFR [10 or 11]

I vote 11

[rushyrulz]

Re: For FFR [10 or 11]

The jacks in LD and RunnyMorning are definitely FGO-worthy

ummm?