Expanding the difficulty spectrum

[popsicle_3000]

Re: Expanding the difficulty spectrum

I don't like the current 1-20 splits using this new scaling for the most difficult files, but then again, I've been hoping we could go back to 1-13 for quite some time now.

1-20 never really took off. I still refer to old system, but w/ 1-99 rank.

Everyone's good at Eclipse nowadays for some reason beyond me,

I've been wondering this myself lol. the scoreboard on that song is starting to get crazy now!

Maybe someday we'll have DP at 102, RATO at 106, and vrofl at 117. Or something :)

maybe let's worry about that if raw scoring ever gets implemented?


as for vrofl... that's a tricky one. i def think it shouldn't be rated (and TWWW, p4u v1, CP and OMG could be unrated as well, i care less about those). how you word it, be it ??, or ffr extra, etc... that could be debated. In the end I don't think it really matters.
However, replacing the chart for vROFL... I dont think that's a good idea for a few reasons. It's the token with the craziest and most unique reqs. Fitting that a crazy chart accompany the token. It's also the most coveted of tokens, for better or for worse. How would you pick a file for it? not to mention the subjectiveness of good charts, make a good FGO chart, and it's just another token FGO that D1-4 will hardly play. Make an easier chart, and it's AAA'd once then forgotten. I recon vROFL as it stands equalizes the token for anyone who gets it. It's a joke file, impossible for ANYONE to score on, regardless of skill. I recon it fits.

[DossarLX ODI]

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Concerning putting RATO and DP as 99s, Death Piano is harder to FC but RATO is harder to score on. Both their scoreboards are very messy, but Death Piano has less FCs. I can see them both being 99.

Also, a file getting ingame to be harder than those files has a 99% chance of being rejected. DP and RATO have bad patterns, and to have a harder file you'd have to be going Brutality Tournament status.

[popsicle_3000]

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Death Piano is harder to FC

ahhhhhh, that explains the worse top 20 scoreboard on DP

[EzExZeRo7497]

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+1 to the idea of a legitimate hard file replacing vROFL as the token prize. I feel that vROFL shouldn't be a prize to begin with, why try so hard to play a file that you can't even do legitimately..?

Wouldn't mind seeing it as a token with other requirements though.

EDIT: Wouldn't mind seeing DP and RATO as 99s, RATO requires speed to svore well on, and mostly difficult to score on through out the file, but DP has a lot of tricky bits, some harder to FC/score on compared to RATO.

[emulord]

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I agree 99s should be Ridiculous, ??s should be WTF. It looks weird sorting by difficulty and seeing the huge gaps in the 90s.
I disagree with changing the Vrofl song. You just can't do that. Its a bragging token, not really meant to be played. There are plenty of places for legitimate difficult files to be added.
Also, I like Rato and DP as super hard real songs. Just because you're bad at overly difficult charts doesnt mean you're entitled to complain about it. Besides, its 2 songs, it can't affect avg rank too much.

[Lambdadelta]

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Hey, was going to type this yesterday but shit came up.

Proposal: Why not make Crowdpleaser v1 the Skill token and then make Crowdpleaser v2 the song to unlock it on? It would wipe Crowdpleaser from the level ranks and it would be one less Bullshit song we have to rate because of fucking framer trills.

Just wondering, Anyone else think this would be the wisest choice?

[bballa48]

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Hey, was going to type this yesterday but shit came up.

Proposal: Why not make Crowdpleaser v1 the Skill token and then make Crowdpleaser v2 the song to unlock it on? It would wipe Crowdpleaser from the level ranks and it would be one less Bullshit song we have to rate because of fucking framer trills.

Just wondering, Anyone else think this would be the wisest choice?

Agreed.

[DossarLX ODI]

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difficulty to AAA

I'll admit cutting out a lot of your post here is inappropriate, but I feel like difficulty to AAA is taken way too far. Skeletor would be rated much higher for me since I have to do the long 32nd rolls with raw speed if this was the case, for instance.

On ITG, a file shouldn't be rated lower if it's easier to AAA/FA. I care about passing. Connecting to FFR, a player who can't even play through a file properly is not going to care about AAAing the file. They would just want to hit it without taking a huge hit on their score while at the same time getting an FC.

[ssbmchamp]

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I actually really like death piano. Sure I can't do well on it but despite "bad patterns," which is entirely an opinion statement, I think the file is pretty well done and flows well. Over half the songs in the high 80's and low 90's sound like someone's having a high speed pots and pans fight....I don't even consider it music for that matter. Same with RATO...that's just a bunch of random noises. At least death piano is a song with some melody. Some notes may be excessive but they still fit the song. Most piano songs tend to be hard but at least they sound cool. La Campanella is an amazing song/file too. I'd rather have more songs like that than these stupid random synthesizers or whatever it may be making these shitty ass noises some of you people call songs.

[popsicle_3000]

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very good idea for CP
+1

[TC_Halogen]

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On ITG, a file shouldn't be rated lower if it's easier to AAA/FA. I care about passing. Connecting to FFR, a player who can't even play through a file properly is not going to care about AAAing the file. They would just want to hit it without taking a huge hit on their score while at the same time getting an FC.

As a reference, pattern difficulty/rhythmic structure does have a tendency to tilt files slightly upward or downward, but no more than a point (until you hit 17+, where 220 runs changing face lightly is a high 16 and 220 runs constantly turning is a mid-high 18). A bit more realistic of an example occurs in some custom files on ITG where extremely complicated rhythms cause a difficulty go up (Go *60* Go, where if you ignore the 64th swing, it's very clearly an 11 to pass and not the 12 that it really is), or incredibly simplistic patterns cause it to go down (Walking on Fire, which has the density of most 11s but is rated a 10).

[d4u7211]

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Random Q... is

65-74 FMO
75-100 FGO

correct? fix it for me if it isn't i don't want to say i got an FMO AAA if its a 65 if FMO is like 66+

[Poison-]

Re: Expanding the difficulty spectrum

Random Q... is

65-74 FMO
75-100 FGO

correct? fix it for me if it isn't i don't want to say i got an FMO AAA if its a 65 if FMO is like 66+

66-77 is "FMO"
I guess 78+ is "FGO"

[SK8R43]

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65-77 is TECHNICALLY FMO and 78+ is FGO lol

[d4u7211]

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Ahh...shit lol, I think I'll push myself and say 66 is FMO (besides i dont have any 65 AAA's lol)