Legacy?

[UserNameGoesHere]

Re: Legacy?

Is it just because you have bad ranks on legacy charts that you want them out? The only reason anyone's ranks on them would be bad is because lots of other people were able to do them just fine. And if that's the reason, then any song you have a really bad rank on should be removed from level ranks? That's kind of spitting in the faces of people who managed to do well on the charts.

I agree the legacy charts are pretty bad, but people have spent time doing well on them to improve their ranks and shouldn't have that taken away. Also legacy charts show a kind of skill for doing well on bad charts. And there are a limited number of them -- not like there keep being more charts like that.

[Mau5]

Re: Legacy?

Is it just because you have bad ranks on legacy charts that you want them out? The only reason anyone's ranks on them would be bad is because lots of other people were able to do them just fine. And if that's the reason, then any song you have a really bad rank on should be removed from level ranks? That's kind of spitting in the faces of people who managed to do well on the charts.

It's not the performance, its more the difference between them and the rest of the game's files. The files like CIA or Uber Rave I really like! I'm glad they decided to make v2's for alot of them

[rayword45]

Re: Legacy?

Bumping this because we need a clear-cut answer, yes or no.

I really think a legacy bar should be put in place, because I don't think one who wants good ranks should be forced to play SSSG.

[UserNameGoesHere]

Re: Legacy?

There's a big problem with that, in addition to the excellent points already made against it.

You see, some of us are actually trying for this token http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...php?level=1106

If you remove all the Legacy stuff from counting towards that, especially for people who have FC'd a good majority of the Legacy stuff, it throws them much further back and is unfair to them. Not only that but it seems about every time there's new songs at least one of them is a 12 or at least an 11, which are notoriously difficult to FC vs. many of the Legacy charts being very reasonably FC-able but perhaps difficult to PA.

In short, you'd be changing that token's requirements in an unfair way if you removed the Legacy stuff to its own location. The only way I would possibly be in favor of this is if, in addition to special Legacy ranks, that token's requirements were dropped to like 80%-90% or something.

The only benefit to such a change is purely cosmetic, while the drawbacks are very real.

Also this keeps getting brought up again and again despite a good amount of the community (particularly those already established) being against it. We have given excellent reasons why it is a bad idea and the only reasons pro that I have seen are purely cosmetic and to try to gain unfair stat boosts over others who have actually worked for it.

The decision is that we, most of the long-time members, do not want this. There is your "clear-cut yes or no". Find a single person who has FC'd ALL the Legacy charts who would be in favor of your proposal and I will seriously reconsider my position.

Can this please stop being brought up already? It's getting old.

[MaxGhost]

Re: Legacy?

If it's getting removed from future engines, it should not be in the public ranks. Nuff said.

[SK8R43]

Re: Legacy?

If they get removed, I QUIT! I worked endless hours to get them all and its dumb to remove them JUST because they're annoying and offbeat. Nuff Said

[rayword45]

Re: Legacy?

I vote move them to Token levelranks. So they're still there, but are seperate from modern simfiles.

[Jerry DB]

Re: Legacy?

it's as simple as it would be a huge slap in the face to so many players to take these out of level ranks. Some people worked hard to aaa these songs so just because some people can't aaa it doesn't mean the people who worked on them harder should suffer. If you just ignore them and get better at the game you can go back to them when you are better and aaa them, then you never have to worry about them again and you don't piss everyone off at the same time. Besides it is a unique skill to aaa off sync retarded pattern files or blue notes, if you work on that you will improve in the game overall as well.

[emulord]

Re: Legacy?

My vote: Keep them the way they are currently.
Reasoning is the same as everyone else's.

[Jake Ferguson]

Re: Legacy?

I think it's fine to leave them where they are, but then following that same line of logic, the token songs should count too because it's a "slap in the face" to those that spend a lot of time FCing and AAAing them just to have them not show up in the stat bars.

[[TeRa]]

Re: Legacy?

idk i find those 4s just as easy as any other 4s to aaa nowadays so how i see it, new players get turned away from the game from those files, i mean who really "likes" those files.. my gf just started playing .3 years ago and she hates the files with backgrounds and whatnot. i feel most people feel the same way aside from the ones that say they worked so hard (and if they stick around and continue playing, it'll be easy for them eventually too, the files really aren't that hard..).
Then there's tokens. Even I felt they were pointless a while back until i AAAd practically every fmo in the game and was struggling to get a single nother aaa.. my gf as well feels they're pointless because they don't show up on your profile. idc what you do with legacy, that's just my 2 cents, but i don't see why token fc/aaa bars haven't been added to profiles yet.

[MaxGhost]

Re: Legacy?

Can SSSG and 136.6 at least be removed? **** those.

[dAnceguy117]

Re: Legacy?

I don't care at all whether or not legacy files affect levelranks or any other stats, but taking the charts out of the game entirely would be a poor decision. Current and future players ought to be able to see the game's history without resorting to roundabout methods.

[[TeRa]]

Re: Legacy?

what about reuploading the avmiss engine with all the old files and removing them from the current game and levelranks (or something like that)
???????

cause i kinda miss those days tbh

[MaxGhost]

Re: Legacy?

How about having a poll on this issue on the front page, veterans only (to avoid alt accounts) to settle this once and for all. The community seems pretty split on this.