Secret and Purchased

[Elite Ninja]

Re: Secret and Purchased

Pros:
Less Hassle/confusion for new players

I see people who are new to the game that get confused about the secret genre all the time. Heck, when I joined it took me months to figure it out since I actually started to get active on the forums.

I support moving secret to purchase.

[Xx{Midnight}xX]

Re: Secret and Purchased

What you guys are missing is that it might not be a problem but it's not a bad suggestion either.

1. **** nostalgia. If it can be changed and it helps overall, then do it if the community likes it. (And yes I apply this to the legacy genre as well.)

2. Hi19 in a previous thread I made the songs from Purchased cannot be moved or anything like that. I can't recall if the prices could be changed however.

3. I support this. One or the other there's honestly no reason to want to save up that many credits. It's kinda a waste and it gives people a place to actually sink them into. Plus it's rather obnoxious to have to keep that many aside for ONE chart. And even then to those of us who like to be kind and host tournies, this might give people a reason to host them.

4. Changing purchased prices to be more logical is always a win if it could be done. Same with (If it's kept) the secret genre being reorganized. It's absolutely silly that it takes so much to unlock a 10 where there's an 11 right before it that's harder and worth less.

[justin_ator]

Re: Secret and Purchased

Middie and I agree on something :')

[sayuncle990]

Re: Secret and Purchased

First of all, FFR needs more credit sinks, this is a perfect way.

If people want the secret songs, they are a much larger and permanent credit sink. For instance, I want to play Final Fantasy Last Battle Festival, but I need 70k credits. When I get 70k credits, I probably won't spend them as I want to keep playing that song. That means I am basically at 0 credits until I build more up. Also, with the prices so low, this sink won't last very long.

[justin_ator]

Re: Secret and Purchased

Like I said, I wouldn't be against raised prices on the songs. I don't know about a 100% price for what it required prior, but definitely an increase. Something like a 50% would probably be reasonable for most of the songs (outside of the low ones).

[wildfireskunk]

Re: Secret and Purchased

If people want the secret songs, they are a much larger and permanent credit sink. For instance, I want to play Final Fantasy Last Battle Festival, but I need 70k credits. When I get 70k credits, I probably won't spend them as I want to keep playing that song. That means I am basically at 0 credits until I build more up. Also, with the prices so low, this sink won't last very long.

Assuming that you don't want to hoarde credits for no reason, and want to purchase all of the songs to try them out and score on them, you'll be spending the same number of credits so it's no less or more of a sink either way.

Also, as a for instance. I'm trying to unlock secret songs at the moment myself, whereas at the same time there are things that I'd like to donate credits to the site for. But at the moment, since the songs I want are so damned high up on the list, I'm not going to be donating until I get a TON of credits, which I think is a shame. I'd still want to buy out the shop, but I'd happily give credits to other causes along the way if I didn't have to get to 70k without spending any.

[hi19hi19]

Re: Secret and Purchased

If people want the secret songs, they are a much larger and permanent credit sink. For instance, I want to play Final Fantasy Last Battle Festival, but I need 70k credits. When I get 70k credits, I probably won't spend them as I want to keep playing that song. That means I am basically at 0 credits until I build more up. Also, with the prices so low, this sink won't last very long.

If you add up all the new values, you will see they total about 4000 MORE than 150k. I did that on purpose.
In other words, nice try, but math.


Honestly, how many of you remember when you started this game? It took me like a week to figure out wtf the secret genre was, and even then that was only because Shash explained the credit hoarding mechanic to me. For people who do not visit the forums, it's absolutely not intuitive.

[justin_ator]

Re: Secret and Purchased

I never knew what it was until I started finding more songs and raged when one went away when I bought a song. I was pissed.

[rushyrulz]

Re: Secret and Purchased

amass credits vs spend credits

This is part of the game. For us individuals with a kagillion credits, it's easy to say oh lets just buy up all the secret songs, but it's a decision newer players with fewer credits need to make, are they willing to temporarily sacrifice some secret songs to get a purchased song? Turning all the secret songs into purchased songs would just be a huge kick in the nuts for players with less credits since they would lose all their secret songs and now have to buy them with credits.

Again, this isn't a problem and it doesn't need fixing.

[justin_ator]

Re: Secret and Purchased

This is part of the game. For us individuals with a kagillion credits, it's easy to say oh lets just buy up all the secret songs, but it's a decision newer players with fewer credits need to make, are they willing to temporarily sacrifice some secret songs to get a purchased song?

You still have to sacrifice to pick which songs you want to purchase..

Turning all the secret songs into purchased songs would just be a huge kick in the nuts for players with less credits since they would lose all their secret songs and now have to buy them with credits.

They wouldn't lose any songs or credits, they'd just have to purchase them to regain the songs...


I don't mean anybody any disrespect with all the arguing I'm going to do, but I am definitely going to argue since I think this is a good idea worth looking at for some time.

[AlexDest]

Re: Secret and Purchased

This system has been like this for years and there are no problems with it. This teaches players to "save" on their credits rather than wasting them away in the shop. Having to pay for secret songs while having the credit amount to unlock them makes it convoluted in the shop and you won't have any knowledge of which song goes to which genre (i.e. which songs are purchased and secret).

[Xx{Midnight}xX]

Re: Secret and Purchased

Maybe to replace the secret genre we add a new token sorta thing like achievement tokens and such.

Being we have only two kinds of tokens... And some of them kinda deviate from their intended names..

I recommend an "Achievement Token" section to take the place of secret.

Recommended order if done:

1. Dendrite v2
Req: Won through special events!

2. Tell v3 (Extended Mix)
Req: Won through special events!

3. Coactive [Over My Shoulder Mix]
Req: Won through special events!

4. FREEDOM DiVE
Req: Won through special events!

5. Orchestral Angels
Req: Get 1 billion Grand Total Score, then check your levelrank.php

6. Slow Motion (Wipeout Pure Xtra)
Req: Reach a Multiplayer Rank of 10+

7. You Gotta B-E-E-R!
Req: Get positive scores on all four BEER songs then check levelrank.php.

8. PianoCore
Req: Get a positive score on every public song then check levelrank.php

9. Happy Rainbow
Req: Get under 1000 Average Rank, then check levelrank.php

10. Quickdraw
Req: Full Combo at least 50% of the public songs in-game (All percentages are rounded down)

11. Here We Go
Req: Full Combo at least 99% of the public songs in-game

Note 1: Yes I purposely reordered these regardless of when they came out. The order is the more event oriented ones (still an achievement mind you to win one of these) then other more easily obtained "achievements" in the order I think they could be obtained.

Note 2: What I mean by some tokens differed from the intended name is that for example the requirements of Here We Go and the others like it aren't really findable tokens so much as they're earned. And with the Skill token Genre we have all those absurd AntiPA tokens. (Yes there is a difference to me between AntiPA and Skill. I agree purposely ****ing up scores (Yes this is EXACTLY what you are doing for those) takes some skill, but that's not the original intention.)

[ichliebekase]

Re: Secret and Purchased

(haven't read the entire thread, only the OP)

I support on the condition that the prices would be higher. Only 5k for FFLBF? 30k for Karma? Just throwing an idea out, but how about half of what the requirement is should be the price.

But I support even with the point of "you can just jump right into buying Karma". You still have to get those x amount of credits to get the song, purchase it and then you have to work back up to get the rest of the songs. Plus, it helps get rid of the mass amounts of credits floating around.

[hi19hi19]

Re: Secret and Purchased

(haven't read the entire thread, only the OP)

I support on the condition that the prices would be higher. Only 5k for FFLBF? 30k for Karma? Just throwing an idea out, but how about half of what the requirement is should be the price.

The goal was to make it so (with the two "song of the year" exceptions) you could get all the Secret songs for 150k, making the two systems identical. I agree 30k seems like not much when you compare it to the 150k Karma used to require, but remember you have to buy EVERY song now so it will add up to the same.

[justin_ator]

Re: Secret and Purchased

I think 50% of the "save for secret" cost is reasonable for anything that is more than like 5k for the secret cost. I also agree with Middie on moving things into a third token genre (OR) just removing the secret genre altogether once you move them over.