expanding difficulty levels

[ninjaKIWI]

Re: expanding difficulty levels

I agree but, Godly sounds gay. I vote for "For Shash's Sideburns Only."

ily shash<3

[TC_Halogen]

Re: expanding difficulty levels

I only semi-agree with what most people are saying--I don't know about adding a 14th degree of difficulty. However, the 1-12 area gets used more than enough, and the 13th difficulty level is only used for one song. Remember back in the day when this used to belong to 2 songs? Both of those songs have de-leveled by 2.

I think that the 13th difficulty level should simply be given a name, and then used a bit more.

[Kairon]

Re: expanding difficulty levels

I had an idea a while ago for new difficulty levels for C and up actually. But I think the difficulty levels are sort of expanding on their own in a way, harder and harder songs are becoming VC/FMO/FGO...

Anyway:
9 (C) - Most 9s now, minus the really fast or hard-to-PA ones.
10 (VC) - The hard/tricky 9s and the easier VCs (ones that aren't in TP list).
11 (Expert) - Hard VCs and easy FMOs (the ones people go for Oni on).
12 (FMO) - Most FMOs.
13 (FGO) - All the Guru songs that we expect (only) the best players to be able to AAA. A few recent FMOs might belong in this category (I Hate The 80s...).
14 (Godly) - Don't even bother trying to PA unless you are very good. Nobody can AAA this. So yeah, Revo, DP, Here We Go, CCCP, RATO, Eclipse, vrofl. Maybe even CP too. Even with mashing, not too many people can FC these songs.

I kind of like this system. The possible addition of a 14th difficulty (FEO) and the movement of some of the more stupidly difficult songs (like DP and RATO) to the currently unnamed difficulty would definitely help even things out. The bottom line is that right now, the difference between really high and really low FGOs (and possibly FMOs) is so vast that it's ridiculous to bundle them under a single difficulty.

Incidentally, if we are gonna name the unnamed difficulty, I vote for -Retarded-.

[jimerax]

Re: expanding difficulty levels

In conclusion, current 12 grade system won't be changed.

but I think we can shift the difficulty range.
FGO = (old) 84-99 -> (new) 90-99
FMO = (old) 76-83 -> (new) 81-89
etc.

[TC_Halogen]

Re: expanding difficulty levels

Jesus christ, no way. You'd have to re-rank a TON of songs from the 99 point scale then; look how many FMOs drop to VC:

76 (M) Going On Spring Wind (1191 Notes / BPM 141)
76 (M) Novo Mundo (1264 Notes / BPM 140)
76 (D2) None Would Escape (1372 Notes / BPM 48-190)
76 (M) Choprite (1796 Notes / BPM 100-200)
77 (P) Silence (1482 Notes / BPM 140)
77 (S) Lawn Wake IV (1059 Notes / BPM 217)
77 (R) Southern Cross (2123 Notes / BPM 40-172)
77 (S) K8107 (1071 Notes / BPM 180)
77 (M) Hajnal (2000 Notes / BPM 174)
77 (R) The Divine Suicide of K [Heavy] (2495 Notes / BPM )
78 (D) Lawn Wake I (LW EP Edit) (1417 Notes / BPM 215)
78 (S) Midnight Dragon (1396 Notes / BPM 180)
78 (M) Epidermis (1277 Notes / BPM 200)
78 (S) Rottel-da-station (1218 Notes / BPM 200)
78 (P) AIM Anthem (736 Notes / BPM 110)
79 (C) Flight of the Bumblebee (862 Notes / BPM 398)
79 (S) Strangeprogram (1442 Notes / BPM 215)
79 (D2) Setsujou! Hyakka Ryouran (1817 Notes / BPM 184)
80 (D2) Exciting Hyper Highspeed Star (1337 Notes / BPM 180)
80 (D2) RunnyMorning (SGX MIX) (1069 Notes / BPM 160)
80 (C) Caprice (1300 Notes / BPM 400)
80 (A) BB Evolution (2631 Notes / BPM 210)

Yeah...Runny? EHHS? VCs? What? XD

EDIT: Not only this, but:

76 (M) Going On Spring Wind (1191 Notes / BPM 141)
76 (M) Novo Mundo (1264 Notes / BPM 140)
76 (D2) None Would Escape (1372 Notes / BPM 48-190)
76 (M) Choprite (1796 Notes / BPM 100-200)
77 (P) Silence (1482 Notes / BPM 140)
77 (S) Lawn Wake IV (1059 Notes / BPM 217)
77 (R) Southern Cross (2123 Notes / BPM 40-172)
77 (S) K8107 (1071 Notes / BPM 180)
77 (M) Hajnal (2000 Notes / BPM 174)
77 (R) The Divine Suicide of K [Heavy] (2495 Notes / BPM )
78 (D) Lawn Wake I (LW EP Edit) (1417 Notes / BPM 215)
78 (S) Midnight Dragon (1396 Notes / BPM 180)
78 (M) Epidermis (1277 Notes / BPM 200)
78 (S) Rottel-da-station (1218 Notes / BPM 200)
78 (P) AIM Anthem (736 Notes / BPM 110)
79 (C) Flight of the Bumblebee (862 Notes / BPM 398)
79 (S) Strangeprogram (1442 Notes / BPM 215)
79 (D2) Setsujou! Hyakka Ryouran (1817 Notes / BPM 184)
80 (D2) Exciting Hyper Highspeed Star (1337 Notes / BPM 180)
80 (D2) RunnyMorning (SGX MIX) (1069 Notes / BPM 160)
80 (C) Caprice (1300 Notes / BPM 400)
80 (A) BB Evolution (2631 Notes / BPM 210)

The ones in red unlock Oni. They all become VCs, meaning you'd have to change all of the songs that unlock Oni again, and Oni gets will be REALLY difficult now.

EDIT2:

84 (D2) Crowdpleaser (1236 Notes / BPM 120)
84 (M) Blue Rose (3622 Notes / BPM 170-180)
84 (M) Frictional Nevada (1325 Notes / BPM 225)
84 (M) Ketsarku Mozgalom (1635 Notes / BPM 174)
85 (A) The Adventures Of Lolo (524 Notes / BPM 225)
85 (S) Pants (3024 Notes / BPM 190)
85 (R) Reality (921 Notes / BPM 259)
87 (C) Grand Gallop Chromatique (2361 Notes / BPM 320) --- FMO? D:
87 (C) Molto Vivace (1177 Notes / BPM 175) --- FMO? D:
89 (C) One Minute Waltz (1057 Notes / BPM 160) --- FMO? D:
90 (C) Revolutionary Etude (1600 Notes / BPM 148)
91 (D2) Eclipse (Solar) (1445 Notes / BPM 165)
95 (C) Death Piano (2453 Notes / BPM 43-200)

[Kairon]

Re: expanding difficulty levels

And... why can't we just take advantage of the underutilized unnamed 13th difficulty again?

[TC_Halogen]

Re: expanding difficulty levels

Exactly my point 5 posts ago. No need to change the system, just use the 13th level more. =/

[Kairon]

Re: expanding difficulty levels

And besides, if the difficulty shift were to go through it would mean that the high/low FMO/FGO discrepancy would just become a high/low VC discrepancy (since I think we can all agree that Carrousel Paradise and EHHS do NOT belong in the same difficulty). So, in order to compensate, there would have to be a VC difficulty shift, which would probably lead to a Challenging shift, and so on and so forth until everything is reorganized.

It seems like adding songs to the 13th difficulty would just be less work all 'round.

(Plus, I really don't like the idea of OMW as an FMO and vrofl[!] as an FGO. It just seems wrong.)

[qqwref]

Re: expanding difficulty levels

I think moving things down would just make the problem (of the difficulty levels getting much harder as time goes on) worse. If you really want to keep FMO and FGO meaning about the same thing, I agree with Kairon and Halogen, the best solution is probably to move some of the ridiculous FGOs to the 13 difficulty. FN and RATO are so far apart they're almost not even related.

[justin_ator]

Re: expanding difficulty levels

13's! 13's! 13's! I like the idea. Only about 6 might be 13's though. If you did 14's you could do like Revo and the like as 13's and DP, RATO, CCCP and those others as 14's. But I say 13's would suffice. And it would be awesome.

(since I think we can all agree that Carrousel Paradise and EHHS do NOT belong in the same difficulty).

I dunno, ..... xP