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  • Exag0n
    FFR Player
    FFR Simfile Author
    • Aug 2006
    • 633

    #1

    3rd Style timing suggestion

    So, as a preamble, here is my understanding of R1 timing:

    The game runs at 30 fps, and arrows lie in certain frames. Timing for these frames is as follows:

    Average
    Good
    Perfect
    Perfect
    Perfect

    Good


    My suggestion is to change this up slightly... to say:

    Average
    Good
    Perfect
    Flashing Perfect
    Perfect
    Good


    A few pros of this setup:
    • Allows more differentiation between scores. Especially in tournament situations, it would eliminate the need to have tie-breaks resulting from AAA-ties.
    • Some experienced players would enjoy the game much more if they could see a better breakdown of the timing. As well, players would probably improve faster.
    • One could give bonuses (whether in the form of credits or additional score) to players who AAA depending on the number of FPs they get. Of course, regular scores would be calculated just in terms of perfects, but there could be a "subscore" (kind of like IIDX's EX score) to help differentiate scores.


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  • jimerax
    FFR Simfile Author
    FFR Music Producer
    • Nov 2003
    • 8185

    #2
    Re: 3rd Style timing suggestion

    I like this idea.

    Flashing perfects (or Marvelous) shouldn't affect the score, but will appear in the result screen for an indication of your accuracy.

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    • Shashakiro
      TWO THOUZAND COMBO
      FFR Simfile Author
      • Aug 2005
      • 9082

      #3
      Re: 3rd Style timing suggestion

      the problem with this in 30FPS is that it's impossible to actually time that middle perf window (trust me, IMPOSSIBLE), unless the BPM is one of those special ones, like 150 or 225. For example, on Gradeus, you'd basically get a flashing perf every other note if you hit it EXACTLY onbeat.

      So this wouldn't really work with 30 FPS. Maybe if the FPS increases for 3rd style.
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      • Doug31
        Falcon Paaaauuuunch!!!!!!
        FFR Simfile Author
        • Jun 2004
        • 6811

        #4
        Re: 3rd Style timing suggestion

        Ya, if it were this way with how things currently are, you really would have to go da--da-da--da-da--da... or whatever at certain bpm like shash said streams really are. I really hope the fps is increased in 3rd style.

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        • ieatyourlvllol
          FFR Player
          • Sep 2006
          • 3221

          #5
          Re: 3rd Style timing suggestion

          This would be a very nice idea if the FPS happened to be raised to 60 or so.

          The base score in R1 (the one that isn't used in the DB) should be converted to the subscore you mentioned. However, the subscore should not affect rank.

          That's pretty much it, imo.

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          • dawg4321
            FFR Player
            • Mar 2005
            • 1913

            #6
            Re: 3rd Style timing suggestion

            great idea, as long as it doesn't effect the actual score. AAA's are unique to ffr, making them AAAA's just turns this closer to stepmania.


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            • Rebirth0
              FFR Originalbro
              FFR Simfile Author
              • Jun 2003
              • 8751

              #7
              Re: 3rd Style timing suggestion

              FPS should be raised to 100. Makes it a lot easier to sync.

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              • MixMasterLar
                Beach Bum Extraordinaire
                FFR Simfile Author
                • Aug 2006
                • 5275

                #8
                Re: 3rd Style timing suggestion

                Originally posted by Rebirth0
                FPS should be raised to 100. Makes it a lot easier to sync.
                I hope your joking, after all, this IS a flash game.

                Im for uppin' the fps, and the new timing idea.

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                • Tps222
                  FFR Player
                  • Nov 2004
                  • 6168

                  #9
                  Re: 3rd Style timing suggestion

                  Synth won't want to alienate the large amount of users who do not have computers or connections capable of running at 100 fps, but perhaps a slight increase wouldn't hurt.

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                  • wickedawesomeful
                    Carls, Girls, & Drugs
                    FFR Music Producer
                    • Dec 2006
                    • 3888

                    #10
                    Re: 3rd Style timing suggestion

                    Originally posted by Tps222
                    Synth won't want to alienate the large amount of users who do not have computers or connections capable of running at 100 fps, but perhaps a slight increase wouldn't hurt.
                    You could have a lo-res version at 30 fps, and a hi-res version at 100 fps.
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                    • Tasselfoot
                      Retired BOSS
                      FFR Simfile Author
                      • Jul 2003
                      • 25185

                      #11
                      Re: 3rd Style timing suggestion

                      don't forget that for every change like that, it means 2x the work on each and every song.

                      100fps would be nice.... but it would increase my time spent on adding each level from about 5 minutes to about 10.
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                      • sertman
                        DADALADAH
                        FFR Simfile Author
                        • Jun 2005
                        • 3910

                        #12
                        Re: 3rd Style timing suggestion

                        Originally posted by Tasselfoot
                        don't forget that for every change like that, it means 2x the work on each and every song.

                        100fps would be nice.... but it would increase my time spent on adding each level from about 5 minutes to about 10.
                        If you only do it once a week, you'll probably live.

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                        • Doug31
                          Falcon Paaaauuuunch!!!!!!
                          FFR Simfile Author
                          • Jun 2004
                          • 6811

                          #13
                          Re: 3rd Style timing suggestion

                          Once per week, plus once more for every single song that will be in the game by then, which will be a lot more than there are now, which would be a ton of time. Let's say there will be 500 songs in FFR by then. 10 minutes x 5000=5000 minutes, which is 83 1/3 hours I think.

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                          • rickz0rz
                            FFR Player
                            • Aug 2006
                            • 213

                            #14
                            Re: 3rd Style timing suggestion

                            Is 100 FPS even feasible?

                            Must computer monitors run between 60-75Hz. If you have the flash file running faster then the computer monitor's refresh rate, you are going to see the flash movie have a horrible flicker due to a refresh in-between monitor refreshes.

                            I have yet to test this out, but that's what I would presume would happen.

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                            • Idonnoimconfused
                              FFR Player
                              • Aug 2005
                              • 109

                              #15
                              Re: 3rd Style timing suggestion

                              I'd say 60 fps is a good number to shoot for.

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