Old songs.

[T0rajir0u]

I'm sure most of you realize that several of the very old simfiles on FFR are, ahem... somewhat lacking in quality. Offbeat BPMs, not-quite-jumps, notes that don't seem to go to anything in the music, you get what I mean.

I'm not complaining about files being too easy. Several easy files seem quite fine to me (Trip to the Moon, for example). It's files like Terror from Beyond etc etc that I feel beginners would have a hard time learning on due to the off-syncness and other problems with the notes.

So, here's my suggestion: Either

1) Designate a trusted simfiler to redo older files, making sure to retain their comparative difficulty (i.e. you could make a very difficult file out of Secret Zombie Room, but don't) while improving the sync and the technicality of the notes.

2) Announce a contest to re-step older songs, and temporarily make the .mp3 files available for anyone who wants to submit a re-make. Make it clear that you want the difficulty to stay more or less the same (unless you don't).

Because, really, as FFR becomes a bigger community I think some of these older simfiles are becoming a nuisance when compared to the recent influx of files that are quite good. Unfortunately, all of those files are fairly hard, so beginners (in my mind) have to deal mostly with one or two easy files of some quality, avoiding the others. This isn't really fair to them, IMO.

Of course, this is all up for debate/amendment/flaming/etc.

(Personally, there are a few old songs that I would love to re-step for FFR, either as easy as they were before or far more difficult.)

[itmorr]

Re: Old songs.

I nominate Tora to do it.
In all seriousness, it'd be nice to see some simfiles fixed up and restepped. Trying to get the average song rank up can be painful when you have to play songs that are out of sync or poorly stepped.

[Afrobean]

Re: Old songs.

Wasn't a mass restepping planned for 3rd Style?

The best thing, I'd think, would be to retain the arrow patterns too. That would be quite difficult, I'd think. Then again, I'm sure that a program could be made which could make a graphical stepchart from the ffr format stepfile. This could be used to re-engineer the steps on sync in SM.

[natetheffrer]

Re: Old songs.

This sounds like a great idea to me, seeing as I cannot AAA any of that offsync crap, and it is making me average go down.

[scottish]

Re: Old songs.

I have no problem AAA'ing alot of off sync songs, but it would make it slightly easier and a hell of alot easier for noobs. I think LD mentioned something about this already somewhere//

[Tasselfoot]

Re: Old songs.

frankly, I don't see ANY issue with the older files.

the new files are hard because they have many notes coming at you quickly.

the old files are hard because they actually take SKILL to read and hit them accurately.


two different skills. some people are good at both, some only one of them, some neither.

I would actually be very upset if any of the originals were changed. if for nothing else, nostalgia. I have no problems with releasing NEW versions as v2's though.

It just seems that you're more complaining about a file being too hard because it is hurting your personal rank... and that is just being selfish. I could complain about balloon fever too hard because of the purple and red note syndromes and that you can't read the file, yada yada yada... but in the end, it would just be me bitching about 1 specific file (or genre, the red note syndrome files) that I'm not good at.

[Afrobean]

Re: Old songs.

Tass, I know that's how Synth feels too, but would there be a problem with restepping them from the ground up using the same steps but reworked onto a solid BPM as opposed to playing recorded steps that aren't even synced to a BPM?

[scottish]

Re: Old songs.

Thats exactly what I think Tass doesn't want to do, meaning it takes skill to deal with the off-sync steps and it should be kept that way.

[Tasselfoot]

Re: Old songs.

Exactly what scottish said. FCing Gradeus takes 1 kind of skill... getting 5 goods on Terror From Beyond (even my best is 8) is a completely different skill.

As I said, I have no problem with these olds songs being re-done as v2s in 3rd style. TfB is one of my favorite songs on FFR... I'd love to have a better stepfile to play of it. The current one is challenging, but also very frustrating.

[T0rajir0u]

Re: Old songs.

It just seems that you're more complaining about a file being too hard because it is hurting your personal rank... and that is just being selfish.

Average: 27146.474820144

Definitely not something weighing heavily on my mind.

As I said, I have no problem with these olds songs being re-done as v2s in 3rd style. TfB is one of my favorite songs on FFR... I'd love to have a better stepfile to play of it. The current one is challenging, but also very frustrating.

I'd love to have another stepfile of it, too, so we could do v2s, I guess. The issue I have with v2's is that they seem to all be purchased songs, whereas I think that (at least some of) the remakes should be available along with the originals from the start, especially on the easier songs.

[ReikonKeiri]

Re: Old songs.

Whatever happened to my idea for RainDrops V2? I want to see that awesome song become something worth playing. Just another of the many suggestions in this forum that seem to be running smoothly and suddenly they die. Tass, has that idea gone through to the higher powers?

I just realized how off-topic all that was but coming back to this I believe they should be restepped but I don't think it's a necessity. I do believe however there are many songs that are incredibly fun to listen to but depressing to play. I think all songs in this category should all be eventually (<--emphasis zomg) restepped (for a V2 of course). This includes but is not limited to the songs RainDrops and Falling into You.

[lightdarkness]

Re: Old songs.

If files are ever to be restepped, they would be restepped to be on sync, they wouldn't have a new notechart.

[Tasselfoot]

Re: Old songs.

If files are ever to be restepped, they would be restepped to be on sync, they wouldn't have a new notechart.

Unless they are v2's. And, about RainDrops... it was discussed, but nothing will be done about it until 3rd style comes out, at the earliest. Certain issues in the coding of the game that are preventing us from adding more v2's.

[ReikonKeiri]

Re: Old songs.

*sigh* ah well, that's too bad.