I want specifics on this...no more avoiding questions either

[Privateer]

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[Privateer]

Or, you could even ask a lawyer. That would cost you practically nothing, and you could get an answer you can trust in.

[linus]

maybe not profit, but ffr is making money of it............see those cd and downloadable version ffr in ffr store....

[Privateer]

But you wouldn't be selling these songs with anything that you sell that has to do with FFR.

[User6773]

Which makes things extremely more complicated...

The staff have better things to do than get into prolonged legal battles with musicians and copyright holders over fair use. It would be an enormous drain of resources on the site's budget, and the server may even have to go down to pay for it. You wouldn't want that, would you?

And broadcasting a song isn't free of legal technicalities. If a radio station wants to play a song over the radio they have to get the record label's permission first. FFR is the same way. Even if it's PUBLIC radio so don't even try saying it's "commercial" :P

[Privateer]

First of all, it would see if they would be able to get into legal battles or have to ever pay for it before doing it.

Secondly, I wasn't asking them to do it, I was asking them the basis of information used to make these decisions, because I have the feeling there was barely any.

And, FFR radio plays songs when it's technically illegal. Thousands of radio streams do that. That doesn't mean it's legal or ok to do it, but if you won't do it for the game, don't do it for the radio.

I just want to have some details.

[Kilgamayan]

Yeah, the whole concept of needing permission boggles me now that this place has a simfile database.

[Privateer]

Exactly. So basically, any arguement would be void, because you are already doing something that is definitely illegal. I suggest you either get rid of the DB, or allow any songs on FFR.

[Squeek]

Any *good* songs. Don't need some punk kid's stupid band clogging up good songs that should be in FFR.

Though from a logical standpoint, it does make sense. So long as the files on FFR are never distributed via download or CD, you have a perfectly legal program. Thousands of Flash videos out there use music that I'm sure they didn't legalize. That's a bad example, but it makes my point. So does Privateer's theory on the radio shows. Nobody's going down their backs saying they aren't allowed to play any song they want over their broadcast. SM is "more illegal" now obviously because it's basically a way to transfer MP3s. But if you limit the song to just playback and never download, it should be legal.

My thoughts, anyway.

~Squeek

[lightdarkness]

Privateer, just so you know i'm not avoiding this, here is my reply.

I am not a lawyer.

[Privateer]

Well, I'm just sayin' you guys keep giving bullshit excuses, or stupid responses to all my suggestions on and off the forums.

I was looking for an answer from Synth. I doubt he did any research on it. I wouldn't think you knew exactly where the decision came from. Ask him for me.

Being able to have any song would be such a huge advantage. It would get some much higher quality steps to FFR, cause there would be choice as to what Synth chooses. We could have simfile induction contests, where people vote for what should get on FFR. Stuff like that.

[mister_manners]

now sssh, you always need to ask and everyone is pissy about copyright these days.

[Privateer]

You don't always need to ask, and yeah, just because people are pissy about copyrights doesn't mean you can't do the right things to ensure safety.

[Anticrombie0909]

I think Synth is just being better safe than sorry. I mean, do you think that Darude or whoever would really care if we played Sandstorm? No. He might even be flattered that a site of 400,000 likes his song enough to turn it into a stepfile. But people sue these days just because they can. My dad has a company that is currently being sued by another company of a completely different field for copyright violation, because the names are the same except one is with a Z and one with an S. The other company doesn't give a damn that my dad's company has a similar name, they're sueing because they can.

[ImEric12]

Exactly. You never want to give people a reason to sue, becuase they will scoop it up, whether they really care or not.