The "15" difficulty scale thread

[Emithith]

Re: The "15" difficulty scale thread

:/ I said 1-100 first though..
w/e if people want to say it's OWA's idea because he put ranges idc. +1

Although, for the lower difficulty files we COULD play with an unfamiliar set up for them, (ex. Keypad, Index, onehand spread, etc) just wanted to put that out there.

edit nvm, i'm a moron who can't read, forget that first bit x-x;

[yo man im awesome]

Re: The "15" difficulty scale thread

Except that with an actual process and community input (like what was done in the new tier point system thread and it was VERY successful), there won't be difficulties based on a shit ton of bickering and drama. Even stavie who is considered a very non-objective difficulty rater was able to agree with the tier point requirements that had input from the community.

I'm also willing to see who wants to do which difficulty for this

And if I recall correctly, remedy and yo man im awesome were also doing difficulties in this scale, but I could be wrong.

I was a part of this at one point, but any saved data I had is now lost in the confines of my dead computer. I'd be more than happy to return to working on this though.

I'm pretty sure it was qqwref, iironiic and I. And we had separated the work into genres. I'll go see if I sent any PM's of what I had then.

I unfortunately deleted my PM history, I'm pretty sure I sent a list to Scarlet Sky. If he still has it great, but I think he's the only one at this point.

[Mike Weedmark]

Re: The "15" difficulty scale thread

:/ I said 1-100 first though..

This isn't the only thread there's ever been about it.

I don't support a 100 system, especially if we get rid of names like FMO too. We need a better system for grouping files, not one that simply tells us how hard they are. We already know how hard they are. There's a whole thread on it.

[i love you]

Re: The "15" difficulty scale thread

I also disagree with a 1-100 point system because there is NO way you can accurately place files using a system that huge since it would cause a lot of subjective issues.

Example: Say if you placed a song like AIM Anthem as a 75 and Club as a 76 or vice versa. People are going to argue about that because some people will find AIM anthem to be harder than Club and vice versa. In other words, it would over complicate things and will lead to a lot of problems.

I personally think we should just keep it simple however if the majority wants to have a 1-100 scale then by all means go for it however if this system ends up failing well then, I told you so! (:

[ScarletSky]

Re: The "15" difficulty scale thread

Just double the 1-12 to 24, split each diff # and use 25 for vrofl.

profit

he's a genius, give him a medal /sarcasm

oh god no

that's insane why in hell's name would you o that?

God damn middie. I like you and all man, but sometimes, you're just ridiculously stupid-annoying.

[Emithith]

Re: The "15" difficulty scale thread

this isn't the only thread there's ever been about it.

I don't support a 100 system, especially if we get rid of names like fmo too. We need a better system for grouping files, not one that simply tells us how hard they are. We already know how hard they are. There's a whole thread on it.

edit nvm, i'm a moron who can't read, forget that first bit x-x;

my response to you, good sir.

[Coolboyrulez0]

Re: The "15" difficulty scale thread

What we seem to lack in this community is established guidelines / algorithms for rating songs.

[ScarletSky]

Re: The "15" difficulty scale thread

What we seem to lack in this community is established guidelines / algorithms for rating songs.

Read the first post. I'm personally all for qqwerf's idea, he's pretty much solved the entire dilemma in my opinion. I don't even know why we're still just discussing it and not doing it.

[hi19hi19]

Re: The "15" difficulty scale thread

I'm all for more granularity and no difficulty names.
Would let me sort even easier.

Might be sad to lose the ability to just casually refer to a range of files as "FGO" and instead have to specify like 92-99 but, still I would imagine the upsides outweigh losing those group names.


Also can we get a thread dedicated to arguing about song difficulties? Or is the "Ingame Song Information" thread basically that already lol

[bmah]

Re: The "15" difficulty scale thread

Read the first post. I'm personally all for qqwerf's idea, he's pretty much solved the entire dilemma in my opinion. I don't even know why we're still just discussing it and not doing it.

because Velocity said he wouldn't do a 1-15 difficulty scale - read a little further back


@hi19: do it in the Ingame Song info thread

[DossarLX ODI]

Re: The "15" difficulty scale thread

I also disagree with a 1-100 point system because there is NO way you can accurately place files using a system that huge since it would cause a lot of subjective issues.

Example: Say if you placed a song like AIM Anthem as a 75 and Club as a 76 or vice versa. People are going to argue about that because some people will find AIM anthem to be harder than Club and vice versa. In other words, it would over complicate things and will lead to a lot of problems.

I personally think we should just keep it simple however if the majority wants to have a 1-100 scale then by all means go for it however if this system ends up failing well then, I told you so! (:

While Velocity said he'd only do 1-100, that really isn't a good idea. There will be a crapload of bitching just like there is now - general grouping is way better so you don't wind up with so much subjectivity

[jimerax]

Re: The "15" difficulty scale thread

1-15 vs 1-100

still quite debatable lol

[Emithith]

Re: The "15" difficulty scale thread

Or just 1-13. :\ Velocity said that he wouldn't change it if it weren't 1-100, atleast, that's what I got from his post.

[Mike Weedmark]

Re: The "15" difficulty scale thread

51 FGOs
96 FMOs

The problem would also be solved just by putting certain things where they belong :P Make FGO encompass things it easily can and should, and we won't have songs that are almost laughable bumping up against songs that are almost impossible. I think the 1-15 system solves this even further and the 1-100 system is just stupid because this isn't herpaderpa Dragonsfury.

[DossarLX ODI]

Re: The "15" difficulty scale thread

The problem is that basically every hard file has been dumped into the 11-12 range (with some put in the 10 range recently), and three difficulties is just nowhere near enough to go from Mute City Remix to Eclipse (Solar).

Going to bring up this point again, try comparing Mute City Remix to something like Halcyon [Xi] or other high FMOs like Piano Etude Gymnastics. 1-13 is way too tight. Just like how 11 to 12 is a difference from Lawn Wake to Revolutionary Etude, it's really just not enough

1-100 is basically very subjective and will not solve anything properly. The progression with 1-15 is a lot better since a change in one difficulty doesn't make you do really good in the previous one but not nail the other one for years (like how people have a lot of "FMO" AAAs but zero FGOs, the jump is hilariously big for them)

Edit: Oh, turns out that was also mentioned in a previous page!

When I said the lower difficulties were "solid" I meant that the gaps between a 6, a 7, an 8, etc. are pretty reasonable and go well with the learning curve of the game itself. 5s are harder than 4s, but not by so much that players are stuck at AAAing 4s for years and unable to AAA a single 5 despite playing all of them several times.

Just as a symptom of the problem we have now, the userbase has pretty much decided that it's necessary to talk about low and high 10s, 11s, and 12s, not because we all want 25+ difficulties, but because it's simply the only way to get a sense of progression. The step from a VC AAA to an FMO AAA is incredibly large, and this proposal should help with that.