Completely Revised Official Tier Point System

[DossarLX ODI]

Re: Completely Revised Official Tier Point System

Getting 4 misses with zero goods, averages, and boos on Death Piano is pretty fuccen hard to do l0l (and that's equivalent to 8 goods 8 boos in raw scoring) and even then wouldn't make the SDG requirement

Keep in mind that these requirements discourage ****** mashing as much as possible. Getting a few misses isn't going to kill you, unlike in combo scoring

[Xayphon]

Re: Completely Revised Official Tier Point System

I wonder if anyone is going to have *only* the very first TP of both RATO and DP

[Sweet_Feet]

Re: Completely Revised Official Tier Point System

I'm just confused with this part v

Please elaborate on what Avg/Miss/Boo will be worth.

[DossarLX ODI]

Re: Completely Revised Official Tier Point System

You just need a basic understanding of how raw scoring works.

Boo = -5
Miss = -10
Average = +5
Good = +25
Perfect = +50

"-10" from a miss actually means -60 since you miss an entire arrow, so that's why it's equivalent to 2 goods and 2 boos (as you can calculate from the above math)

This means that a 1200-5-0-0-5 score (60100) would tie with 1199-6-0-0-0 (60100), etc.

Wow, epic typo fail. But yeah, that's how raw scoring works.

[PrawnSkunk]

Re: Completely Revised Official Tier Point System

Rubix AAA'd it

I typed "It seems impossible get 1200 or fewer goods clean on Death Piano." Which means, having a score of 1200-0-0-0. (1200 goods and 0 averages/miss/boo)
But thanks for clearing that up Doss. Glad to know that 1200-5-0-0-5 would tie with 1199-6-0-0-0. Answers all my questions :J


edit: Because of this, in the tier point requirements you should have the raw combo shown:
ex.) 4 Tier Point - 5 Goods (60100)

[TheSaxRunner05]

Re: Completely Revised Official Tier Point System

+1 to having the raw requirement shown

[i love you]

Re: Completely Revised Official Tier Point System

Alright it seems like people like the 13 list so I will put that as finalized!

Here is the VD list! Remember, if you have any comments/suggestions, just mention it in this thread.

1. Harry Potter Techno Remix [607 Combo]
(5) - AAA
(4) - 4 goods or better
(3) - 15 goods or better
(2) - 60 goods or better
(1) - pass the song

2. Guitar Vs Piano [1010 Combo]
(5) - 1 or fewer
(4) - 9 goods or better
(3) - 40 goods or better
(2) - 150 goods or better
(1) - pass the song

3. Comptine D'un Autre Ete Techno Mix [904 Combo]
(5) - AAA
(4) - 5 goods or better
(3) - 20 goods or better
(2) - 100 goods or better
(1) - pass the song

4. {Red Alert} [496 Combo]
(5) - AAA
(4) - 4 goods or better
(3) - 15 goods or better
(2) - 60 goods or better
(1) - pass the song

5. Electro Rush x8 [787 Combo]
(5) - AAA
(4) - 5 goods or better
(3) - 20 goods or better
(2) - 100 goods or better
(1) - pass the song

6. {Firestorm} [1010 Combo]
(6) - AAA
(5) - 5 goods or better
(4) - 15 goods or better
(3) - 40 goods or better
(2) - 150 goods or better
(1) - pass the song

7. Coactive [805 Combo]
(5) - 1 or fewer
(4) - 9 or fewer
(3) - 30 or fewer
(2) - 100 or fewer
(1) - pass the song

8. J219 (Ura-Rokkou Mix) [866 Combo]
(5) - AAA
(4) - 5 or fewer
(3) - 20 or fewer
(2) - 100 or fewer
(1) - pass the song

9. Hardcore of the North [999 Combo]
(6) - AAA
(5) - 5 goods or better
(4) - 15 goods or better
(3) - 40 goods or better
(2) - 150 goods or better
(1) - pass the song

10. Go Go Go Power Rangers [533 Combo]
(5) - AAA
(4) - 4 or fewer
(3) - 15 or fewer
(2) - 60 or fewer
(1) - pass the song

11. Troglodytic Epica [1482 Combo]
(5) - 1 or fewer
(4) - 9 or fewer
(3) - 40 or fewer
(2) - 150 or fewer
(1) - pass the song

12. 00.01 [709 Combo]
(5) - AAA
(4) - 5 or fewer
(3) - 20 or fewer
(2) - 100 or fewer
(1) - pass the song

13. GO! [1164 Combo]
(5) - 1 or fewer
(4) - 9 or fewer
(3) - 40 or fewer
(2) - 150 or fewer
(1) - pass the song

14. July [724 Combo]
(5) - AAA
(4) - 5 goods or better
(3) - 20 goods or better
(2) - 100 goods or better
(1) - pass the song

15. Maple Leaf Rag [1155 Combo]
(5) - AAA
(4) - 9 goods or better
(3) - 30 goods or better
(2) - 150 goods or better
(1) - pass the song

16. Tribal Revival [999 Combo]
(6) - AAA
(5) - 5 goods or better
(4) - 15 goods or better
(3) - 40 goods or better
(2) - 150 goods or better
(1) - pass the song

17. Black Wing Metamorphasis [1300 Combo]
(6) - AAA
(5) - 5 goods or better
(4) - 15 goods or better
(3) - 40 goods or better
(2) - 150 goods or better
(1) - pass the song

18. Thinking Different [902 Combo]
(5) - AAA
(4) - 5 goods or better
(3) - 20 goods or better
(2) - 100 goods or better
(1) - pass the song

19. MAX Forever [2709 Combo]
(6) - AAA
(5) - 9 goods or better
(4) - 30 goods or better
(3) - 80 goods or better
(3) - 150 goods or better
(2) - 300 goods or better
(1) - pass the song

20. Mercury Lamp [1049 Combo]
(5) - 1 or fewer
(4) - 9 or fewer
(3) - 30 or fewer
(2) - 150 or fewer
(1) - pass the song

[qqwref]

Re: Completely Revised Official Tier Point System

Yeah, we'll definitely post the actual raw score requirements, good point.

And to further elaborate on how raw score works:
1 boo = 0.2 goods
1 average = 1.8 goods
1 miss = 2.4 goods

[emulord]

Re: Completely Revised Official Tier Point System

Max forever is the hardest 6pt req by a lot.
Other than that, excellent list

[Plan_Bsk81127]

Re: Completely Revised Official Tier Point System

lol the VD list looks like nothing but a bunch of old songs, there are plenty of good tricky 8's that are better than those.

[i love you]

Re: Completely Revised Official Tier Point System

Max forever is the hardest 6pt req by a lot.
Other than that, excellent list

I'm still questioning if MAX forever should have a BF as a max or not. It seems like a lot of people struggle with that file because of the long one handed trills. I will let the community decide on that.

lol the VD list looks like nothing but a bunch of old songs, there are plenty of good tricky 8's that are better than those.

We wanted the 7's and 8's to be more straightforward rather then adding most of those new gen files that contain a lot of color theory which will be confusing to the lower players. That is the reason why both the 7's and 8's have mostly older files then newer ones since older ones tend to be much more straightforward.

[igotrhythm]

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Needs more Smash Podcast (dat trill).

Thinking Different has a lot of the same patterns that make HotN as hard as it is, and I'm against token songs appearing in TP lists. (Think about it: The heyday for token songs was in 2007, and if you weren't around back then, you'll never get some of the hints.)

Night of Flight might be on there to test both reading skill (the yellow note syndrome section) and consistency over long periods, but Max Forever is just so much ragebait even to much better players for it to not be on the list.

(also, I still don't have full TP on GO! for whatever goddamn reason)

Pretty solid, though.

[emulord]

Re: Completely Revised Official Tier Point System

I vote on making AAA of Max Forever worth 7 points. Its one of the hardest songs to PA because of length, stamina, one handed trills, etc.

[i love you]

Re: Completely Revised Official Tier Point System

Needs more Smash Podcast (dat trill).

Thinking Different has a lot of the same patterns that make HotN as hard as it is, and I'm against token songs appearing in TP lists. (Think about it: The heyday for token songs was in 2007, and if you weren't around back then, you'll never get some of the hints.)

Night of Flight might be on there to test both reading skill (the yellow note syndrome section) and consistency over long periods, but Max Forever is just so much ragebait even to much better players for it to not be on the list.

(also, I still don't have full TP on GO! for whatever goddamn reason)

Pretty solid, though.

Nice comparison between thinking different and HotN. I will definitely adjust HotN in a bit. I think the reason why i made it a 6 was because of the fact that the file speeds up. As for Token files, we only decided to add tokens that were really easy to unlock into the TP system. I was originally against it myself to be honest but then after a talk with qqwref, it seems reasonable enough.

Also about Max Forever, you guys DID wanted it into the list so it will stay. It's possible that I might make it either a 7/7 as max or just change the 6/6 requirement to a BF.

I vote on making AAA of Max Forever worth 7 points. Its one of the hardest songs to PA because of length, stamina, one handed trills, etc.

I will leave that up to the community.

[Plan_Bsk81127]

Re: Completely Revised Official Tier Point System

We wanted the 7's and 8's to be more straightforward rather then adding most of those new gen files that contain a lot of color theory which will be confusing to the lower players. That is the reason why both the 7's and 8's have mostly older files then newer ones since older ones tend to be much more straightforward.

Well I'm just saying, TP's arent supposed to be easy to obtain and making them all just straightforward files when there are plenty that could give a good challenge to earning the TP's. Not saying make all of them tricky color noted charts but at least include some to make some of the songs have to be worked for and be a challenge to nail.