Completely Revised Official Tier Point System

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  • i love you
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    FFR Simfile Author
    • Oct 2006
    • 7313

    #136
    Re: Completely Revised Official Tier Point System

    Ah, totally misread his question. Yeah, the admins should really take a look at that link to see if they actually wanted that link to be public or not. If so, they should make it visible somewhere in the FFR Game Stats.

    Reminder: You guys have about 38 more hours to turn in your outlines!
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    • Netjet!
      Sic itur ad astra
      FFR Simfile Author
      • Jan 2008
      • 4701

      #137
      Re: Completely Revised Official Tier Point System

      Originally posted by i love you
      Ah, totally misread his question. Yeah, the admins should really take a look at that link to see if they actually wanted that link to be public or not. If so, they should make it visible somewhere in the FFR Game Stats.

      Reminder: You guys have about 38 more hours to turn in your outlines!
      I'll ask and see if they want to put it in the dropdown bar labeled "FFR The Game".
      RIP Steve Van Ness <3

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      • SkRAWRk
        FFR Player
        • Jul 2011
        • 217

        #138
        Re: Completely Revised Official Tier Point System

        Hmmmm, so we're down to about 25 hours for outlines. Have you had any others yet, i love you? :O
        Ohey, a signature. Whut is this. o.o

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        • i love you
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          FFR Simfile Author
          • Oct 2006
          • 7313

          #139
          Re: Completely Revised Official Tier Point System

          So far, I have received two more outlines. Hopefully, I will be able to get a few more by other people hehe
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          • Emithith
            FFR Player
            • Sep 2008
            • 1784

            #140
            Re: Completely Revised Official Tier Point System

            Originally posted by i love you
            o_o wow. Dossar, wtf. Not cool.

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            • remedy1502
              remederpin
              • Feb 2007
              • 4884

              #141
              Re: Completely Revised Official Tier Point System

              oh my god that dp levelstats lmfao

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              • yo man im awesome
                soleil ardent
                FFR Simfile Author
                • May 2007
                • 6514

                #142
                Re: Completely Revised Official Tier Point System

                *raises hand without reading thread*

                How about we have a raw score TP bar and a combo based TP bar? That way people with laggy as shit computers have some chance at getting TP's. Also, maybe have the ability to choose which of the two bars shows.

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                • emulord
                  FFR Veteran
                  • Sep 2006
                  • 778

                  #143
                  Re: Completely Revised Official Tier Point System

                  I disagree with raw scoring, because if I wanted PA based scoring, Id play stepmania. On multiplayer its fine, but having tier points be based off of a different scoring mechanism isnt as good a indicator of FFR skill

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                  • remedy1502
                    remederpin
                    • Feb 2007
                    • 4884

                    #144
                    Re: Completely Revised Official Tier Point System

                    Originally posted by emulord
                    I mash everything and don't even try on hard songs
                    fix'd

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                    • emulord
                      FFR Veteran
                      • Sep 2006
                      • 778

                      #145
                      Re: Completely Revised Official Tier Point System

                      dude, I *cannot* PA hard songs. I do try later, but my mashed scores just show up on top

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                      • i love you
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                        FFR Simfile Author
                        • Oct 2006
                        • 7313

                        #146
                        Re: Completely Revised Official Tier Point System

                        Originally posted by emulord
                        I disagree with raw scoring, because if I wanted PA based scoring, Id play stepmania. On multiplayer its fine, but having tier points be based off of a different scoring mechanism isnt as good a indicator of FFR skill
                        Well think about this for example:

                        Say if Person A Full Combos Reality with 100 goods and Person B gets 10 goods with a miss or two. With combo scoring, Person A would get more Tier Points than Person B because Person A has a higher combo than Person B. This will not be an accurate way to determine FFR skill because it puts emphasis on combo FIRST before the overall score. With raw scoring, it will clearly show that Person B has more skill than Person A because it puts more emphasis on PA therefore Person B will be awarded more points than Person A. This would be a more accurate way to determine FFR skill and plus, it would discourage mashed Full Combos.

                        At first, we were going to do it the way you said because of what we have mentioned in one of the FAQ but the majority of the community wants this to be done by raw scoring and so that is what we are going to do. The statement you made saying that raw scoring will not be a good indicator of FFR skill is false. It is a better indicator of skill than combo based scoring and the example I have provided proves that statement.
                        Last edited by i love you; 09-23-2011, 07:04 AM.
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                        • Izzy
                          Snek
                          FFR Simfile Author
                          • Jan 2003
                          • 9195

                          #147
                          Re: Completely Revised Official Tier Point System

                          Originally posted by qqwref
                          That's exactly the point, if you just look at the raw score of the best score someone has, some people will get the PA they deserve and some won't, and that's just not fair.

                          Recording the best raw score on each song is one of the ways to get rid of combo scoring, but the admins don't want to do it because it would require adding another column to the high score database (= a lot of work).
                          I don't feel like it is a lot of work, it is just a lot of data. Either way it is hugely important that this happens because combo scoring is a pitiful way to determine the best score on a song.


                          Originally posted by emulord
                          dude, I *cannot* PA hard songs. I do try later, but my mashed scores just show up on top
                          'But they wouldn't if it was based on raw scoring, this is a good thing.

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                          • emulord
                            FFR Veteran
                            • Sep 2006
                            • 778

                            #148
                            Re: Completely Revised Official Tier Point System

                            No, its like. I can FC with 50 goods, or not FC with 40 goods. Its never that big of a deal. I dont understand how some people can go from 200 goods to 20 with a miss.
                            Requiring a FC for a good score is the only thing that makes this rhythm game unique. Please dont remove it.

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                            • Izzy
                              Snek
                              FFR Simfile Author
                              • Jan 2003
                              • 9195

                              #149
                              Re: Completely Revised Official Tier Point System

                              Originally posted by emulord
                              I dont understand how some people can go from 200 goods to 20 with a miss.
                              Because you change your whole mentality when you play without the fear of missing. I could get amazing PA on FGO's with a couple of misses or I can mash it all and avoid the miss. With raw scoring I would be able to show my true ability on difficult songs.

                              Originally posted by emulord
                              Requiring a FC for a good score is the only thing that makes this rhythm game unique. Please dont remove it.
                              That doesn't mean it is good, combo scoring is a massively flawed idea and needs to be removed.

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                              • i love you
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                                FFR Simfile Author
                                • Oct 2006
                                • 7313

                                #150
                                Re: Completely Revised Official Tier Point System

                                I think you are confused emulord, we are not removing combo based scoring from FFR the game, we are just creating an accurate ranking system to determine ones skill by making it based off raw scoring.
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