[BW Contest] I'll Skin You Alive!

[justin_ator]

Re: [BW Contest] I'll Skin You Alive!

Of course man. Sending back now.

Edit: I'm not going to mass release the skins, but we will give you guys a one-page preview as the artists give permission to show them.

Here is the main FFR page from Fabledeamon

[psychoangel691]

Re: [BW Contest] I'll Skin You Alive!

I need to get my judgments in. It was a crazy week/weekend but I haven't forgotten.

[justin_ator]

Re: [BW Contest] I'll Skin You Alive!

You're fine. I just wanted a deadline, if it isn't met it's not the end of the world. The next wave won't be going out for a little bit, we only have one new submission so far.

Also submitters, a reminder that the scoring breakdowns can be found here:

http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/vbz/showthread.php?t=119643

[Linkisdoomed]

Re: [BW Contest] I'll Skin You Alive!

Please post mine so everyone can see it. General feedback would be much appreciated. (I do realize I can't please everyone. :P )

*edit* Ok, scores are up, huh? xD. Been working on it a lot, and I think you guys will like the resubmission.

[justin_ator]

Re: [BW Contest] I'll Skin You Alive!

Some scores and reviews are up. I'm still missing a LOT of them. Judges, please try to get your scores in!

Linkisdoomed's Fracture Skin Preview

[flashpantss]

Re: [BW Contest] I'll Skin You Alive!

you can post mine if you want to. Mine isn't good at all. I was just submitting to make the staff think about a Black or darken'd skin, for the people who like dark colors (I personally prefer dark colors, which is why I submitted the skin).

But, i'm currently editing the skin to something new.

[justin_ator]

Re: [BW Contest] I'll Skin You Alive!

Glad to hear you've got something new coming =]

PS, jimerax's notes are up.

[jimerax]

Re: [BW Contest] I'll Skin You Alive!

My ratings are low overall, but I don't think I'm especially strict with judgement at all.

Just honest impression, no compliment factor (probably aiming for professional quality).

[justin_ator]

Re: [BW Contest] I'll Skin You Alive!

Which is what we are looking for, basically. Something that looks official and like it should be the face of FFR.

[condoct]

Re: [BW Contest] I'll Skin You Alive!

(probably aiming for professional quality).

I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with that. When I look at the various reviews, I can already tell that some of the judges are clearly picking favorites. If there is a skin that may not necessarily be in your tastes, but still is good in quality, shouldn't it get a higher score regardless? By the looks of it, some of the judges (if not you then great) are obviously basing their scores on how much they like the skin rather than its overall quality. If there are no complaints about it, then how are the artists supposed to improve their submissions? They obviously can’t. Therefore, the only logical assumption would be that they just don’t like how it looks. Also, shouldn’t a skin with a larger set of pages get a higher score too? I see judges giving higher scores for a skin with only one page and a significantly lower one for a complete skin.

If I were to rate any of the skins I’ve received so far like the way I just mentioned, I would honestly give every single one of them a 1 and maybe another a 3. Why? Because “I don’t like the way it looks.”

Rant over.

[jimerax]

Re: [BW Contest] I'll Skin You Alive!

Sorry if you feel bad on my ratings.

Something like 5/10 rating of mine isn't bad as a individual work at all and I'd say you did a good job on that, but I have to say it needs major improvement when it comes to the main screen of the new game.

We can't really compare the set that has multiple screens with the one that has only 1 pic, but I rated them by overall impression.

[condoct]

Re: [BW Contest] I'll Skin You Alive!

I don't feel bad about the ratings I'm just curious as to how exactly we're supposed to be reviewing these. Aren't we supposed to approve work that's good and leave it to the comunity after words to vote for what they think is the best?

[Garquillex]

Re: [BW Contest] I'll Skin You Alive!

If a skin is ultimately chosen to be added, and there are still gaps in the interfacing missing, whether it's an entire page, transitions, or smaller animations, or there are technical problems, will we be collaborating to finish?

I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with that. When I look at the various reviews, I can already tell that some of the judges are clearly picking favorites. If there is a skin that may not necessarily be in your tastes, but still is good in quality, shouldn't it get a higher score regardless? By the looks of it, some of the judges (if not you then great) are obviously basing their scores on how much they like the skin rather than its overall quality.

Absolutely, and it's one of the problems I partially warned about earlier in the thread.
Preference, sentiment, feelings, etc., all need to be put aside as they convolute objective quality.

I'm also wary of letting the public ultimately decide the winners instead of letting them simply influence the final decision.
I'll discuss this to the end if the leads behind this are open to constructive criticism and improving the system.

[justin_ator]

Re: [BW Contest] I'll Skin You Alive!

The leads, referring to myself and ymia? I can't speak for him, but quite honestly if something needs to change we are open to changing it. This whole process became far more official than we intended it to be in the first place, requiring a lot of the submitters. If you have suggestions, throw them out on the table, but please be thorough so it doesn't cause more confusion. =]

[condoct]

Re: [BW Contest] I'll Skin You Alive!

Here is exactly how I think the judging system should work. Meaning, it really needs a complete overhaul.

Instead of using a scoring system, base it on two factors, approved or unapproved. There will be no need for scoring since we are just looking for submissions that will be in game. This portion isn’t a popularity contest. We are simply trying to find skins that are good enough to be used. Now, this will be based on QUALITY. I cannot stress that enough. Making a decision based on whether or not you like the skin is completely unfair and illegitimate. There will always be someone else who thinks the exact opposite you do, so you should respect that and look for QUALITY instead.

Obvious Example: “This skin has yellow in it, I don’t like the color yellow. Unapproved”

That’s not for you to decide. Forcing the artist to change the way it looks when there is clearly nothing wrong with it means you simply do not like the skin and are ruining someone's chances of their's being accepted.

When I say quality, I really mean that's the only thing you should be looking for. Find obvious mistakes such as pixilated layers, bad text, interfering base, ETC.

This contest should ultimately be decided by the community not by me and nine other judges. Once there are enough accepted skins, the community votes on their favorites. That decides the winner. Not the judges or anything else related in that matter.

Now these “bonuses” we have. Could be implemented in the community vote, but if it proves to be too much of a problem, remove it all together.

Side not: Skins shouldn’t be released to the public until the community vote begins. Unless if a certain skin is unapproved by a majority of the judges then give them the option to release it or not.