Official Tournament.

[TC_Halogen]

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Yea okay, because they totally have the time between moving again and a newborn XD

It's actually pretty neat to see people actually recommending me and Kayla for running the tournament. I'd definitely try to coordinate things with Jimerax so that we could use new files on occasion (heck, maybe all new files if the queue could support it) and Kayla's pretty good at managing the tournament as it's going on.

Getting the dashboard working would be awesome too, but hey -- manual updating isn't all that bad even with this many people.

[psychoangel691]

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I would do it. AJ and I have talked about it before lol. Yea we do have the baby now but believe it or not we can still manage to find the time to do stuff. I've actually been managing school work pretty well. It was an adjustment at first but you get used to it pretty quick. As per the move that'll be over on Saturday lol.

[Hakulyte]

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I still find it ridiculous that Top Players who get like 9th place in the highest division can't have vROFL while an unknown D1 player who somehow avoided being correctly placed can sneak up and get it easily and then we wait a year again lmao..

[LJRoX]

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AJ, this post is my post 1337. Run dat shit! 8)

[TC_Halogen]

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I still find it ridiculous that Top Players who get like 9th place in the highest division can't have vROFL while an unknown D1 player who somehow avoided being correctly placed can sneak up and get it easily and then we wait a year again lmao..

Unfortunately, some people will do things to cheat or sandbag their way to the top.

In fact, looking at the dashboard for D1's final, you'll see that second place, Sei-Triplex, ended up with a score of 31-2-1-15 on the final. Anyone remember what the final was? I sure do: Magical 8 Bit Tour. Considering that this person also got a flag on round 5, I'm fairly certain they either a.) had someone play for them, or b.) somehow cheated.

ShuFFs (D1) got disqualified after botting a RATO score.

Oilers in D3 somehow managed to get 13 on Red Wings Over Baron, but coincidentally had issues with songs in the first few rounds? Either a massive massive skill jump, or he was sandbagging. We also know the whole issue with OneHandNow, and how he actually survived one round after being moved from D3 to D5.

It's a known fact that people will go far enough to cheat at FFR, just to glorify themselves, at least in these tournaments.

[bballa48]

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Unfortunately, some people will do things to cheat or sandbag their way to the top.

In fact, looking at the dashboard for D1's final, you'll see that second place, Sei-Triplex, ended up with a score of 31-2-1-15 on the final. Anyone remember what the final was? I sure do: Magical 8 Bit Tour. Considering that this person also got a flag on round 5, I'm fairly certain they either a.) had someone play for them, or b.) somehow cheated.

ShuFFs (D1) got disqualified after botting a RATO score.

Oilers in D3 somehow managed to get 13 on Red Wings Over Baron, but coincidentally had issues with songs in the first few rounds? Either a massive massive skill jump, or he was sandbagging. We also know the whole issue with OneHandNow, and how he actually survived one round after being moved from D3 to D5.

It's a known fact that people will go far enough to cheat at FFR, just to glorify themselves, at least in these tournaments.

And this, my friends, is why VROFL should only be awarded to people in D5. I am not saying you can't have the other divisions... but there is no reason they should get prizes. Seriously. Think about it.

[TC_Halogen]

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I wouldn't say that other divisions don't deserve the title, but it's a little bit harder for lower divisions to achieve the token for placing top eight because there's always the chance that people cheat. It's unavoidable.

EDIT: well, it might not be quite as bad with the community size being diminished, but you never know.

[LJRoX]

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Get them to post a video in the final round? Umm i'm sure 99% of the community have a camera. cmon u need a computer to play ffr
so having no cameras not an excuse

[TC_Halogen]

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Not everyone has a camera. When I was playing in the 4th official, I didn't have a camera. I'm pretty sure AOD_Element was asked to make a video, and he pulled the "I don't have a camera" card.

Again, it's sketchy. However, I have no issue with asking for video proof and giving them a certain amount of time to make said video before getting DQ'd, because I highly doubt that there's a single person who can't get access to a friend with a camera.

[bballa48]

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I guess I just don't get the concept. If a player that gets, say, 12th in D5 is clearly better than a player that gets 8th in D4, why should the D4 person get the prize? It just makes no sense to me.

No one here is handicapped. Now, I would have no problem with having a one handed division (obviously tough to enforce) or something of that nature where the people in that division cannot physically compete with the best of the best. But other than that, we all have hands and our skill levels are totally dependent on how much we play. Why should we reward someone who is just simply not as good?

Again, I am not saying there shouldn't be lower divisions. Players with less skill would have no shot in D5, and they obviously will have more fun competing against people with similar skills. However, they shouldn't get prizes that way better players cannot obtain.

Also, I don't care about vROFL. I don't want to sound bitter and I am not campaigning to get it. I am just making some general comments on competition in general. I guess I was thinking about it because a similar concept came up on a running message board where someone was suggesting weight classes for running. Yeah, good idea. Let's reward people who are lazy and fat by letting them not have to compete against the runners who trained hard to lose weight and get in shape.

Sorry for the book. Back to the studying for a test I should have finished studying for... 3 hours ago.

[TC_Halogen]

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The player's position is irrelevant in this situation, because vROFL is simply a memento of you placing top 8 in a division. Skill levels of players shouldn't matter in this case because the tournament is multi-divisional.

Technically, there are handicaps, and those handicaps can range from differences in styles (while a style may be inferior, they shouldn't be disqualified for at least trying) or experience with the game. Skill levels aren't entirely dependent on how much a person plays, because people increase in skill differently. Take a look at Hakulyte; he owns two accounts that, when put together, have the highest overall score on the entire site (over 47 billion!). However, there are players who have stronger scores on upper level charts in comparison to him. I'm not in any way trying to insult Hakulyte or anything, but it just goes to show that some people can play a ton and not progress very well no matter what they do. Others progress quickly with a simple change, whether it be style or a simple setting change, like their key setup or speed mod.

And it doesn't entirely sound like you're bitter; you have brought up legitimate points. As far as your situation on a running message board: I think what it comes down to, is that running is a very well established sport. That, shouldn't be changed. FFR's tournament setup can be compared in the same way -- it's been run five times, with slight changes to extraneous things, but very few changes in the tournament setup itself.

EDIT: @ LJ -- that does happen, but it has to be a gross misplacement that gets recognized.

[LJRoX]

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If they get a skill boost, they just get moved up, giving them less of a chance to score vROFL. This doesn't necessarily happen to everyone but that's what I would assume. It's like they can't own their previous division anymore, but get owned in their new division (again this does not apply to everyone).
If I joined D6, I'd get merked but if I join D5, I have a better chance, right? I guess certain rules should be amended and revised before even considering who belongs to what division.

Edit: yeah, I just read your post AJ, there are some people who just gain a massive skill boost and it's really hard to tell because it just happens and it's something that everyone goes through once in a while. thus keeping and maintaining a legitimate official tournament is really hard because of a sudden skill boost or bs calls from one to another

edit 2: remember my ffr weakness thread? everyone also has something they're good at, so if you guys were to host an FFR official, you'd need to closely examine everyones individual scores, no matter how long it takes :s so you can decide who goes in what. Thats what I'd call judgement.

[G00n6969]

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The issue isn't whether or not a D5 person is better then a D3 or even a D1'r. Its obvious a D5r is better; and being a 1hdr is completely null to your argument. To not reward someone for besting the competition is like in your case, not giving a 1st place trophy to a person who got first place in a running meet just because the weight class varies.

My question to you is; why compete if there is no reward for the effort?


anyways. would love to see another official tourney. whether the reward is vROFL or another song.

suggestion: if giving vROFL to a D1-D4 is so controversial to some, why not make a skill token for each division, which coincides with the difficulty of the last round of the division itself(granted there ever is another O.T.)

[Ninty64]

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suggestion: if giving vROFL to a D1-D4 is so controversial to some, why not make a skill token for each division, which coincides with the difficulty of the last round of the division itself(granted there ever is another O.T.)

This could work if you made it like:
Getting into D2 unlocks D1's token,
Getting into D5 unlocks D1's through D4's token, etc.

Otherwise, you'll never be able to unlock tokens below you

[rushyrulz]

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Wouldn't even have to update, wasn't there some system that registered scores through the game and recorded them on a table? Just let the program run the tournament lol.