New songs: Dec 6, 2010

[psychoangel691]

Re: New songs: Dec 6, 2010

Really what needs to happen is an all new rating system for difficulty on FFR. I mean think about how many songs there are that are borderline this or that. There are 9s that are harder than some of the low 10s.

[Plan_Bsk81127]

Re: New songs: Dec 6, 2010

lmao it's time to eye all over again

That and CP with it being like a 9 except for like 1-2 parts. XD

[One Winged Angel]

Re: New songs: Dec 6, 2010

and this is exactly why I don't consider myself having any real FGO AAAs

k, here's the rule from now on: if OWA AAAs it, it's not FGO

I'm serious

[awein999]

Re: New songs: Dec 6, 2010

I hope I'm not the only one who finds Einstein Rosen Bridge SIGNIFICANTLY harder than Gymnastics, I think it should be FGO

EDIT: People who are saying mid FMO, if you haven't AAA'd an FGO or an 83 or higher, STFU. Sure, this song is easier FC wise and maybe a easy to get under 30 on, but seriously, from a AAA perspective, this song is clearly FGO, it's harder to AAA than any FMO I know of and quite a few FGO's, if you think it's easy cause' you can 'FC' it, good, but unless you know how ****ing hard this song is to AAA, don't say it's mid FMO, this is CLEARLY FGO from a AAA standpoint, and when we have songs like 300 as FMO, that has to be looked at

100% what I've been trying to say. And lets judge songs not on "how you just did" but rather based on the patterns. One might have a strength with bursts and or jacks so you might get a pretty good score on this if you are that type of player. You could look at the leaderboard and say "no way this is fgo, look at all the good scores on it!" but honestly this isn't going to have more than 8 AAA's (if that many) anytime soon. And the elite players usually play songs first. That's why scores look pretty good. Just wait for other players to catch up.

edit: it's not about the easy parts it's about the hard parts. A song is as easy as it's hardest part. That's why time to eye is fgo. Should CP be a 10?

[Izzy]

Re: New songs: Dec 6, 2010

I still think difficulty rating needs a total make over. There needs to be an objective calculation to determine a songs difficulty. After you get that you need to have a team of people replay every song in the game and re judge their difficulty.

[TC_Halogen]

Re: New songs: Dec 6, 2010

Ok, here - I'll put it this way.

I have EVERY FMO, except for Einstein-Rosen bridge. So does Samurai. Samurai thinks that the song is higher than an 11, but I don't. Yes, I have a garbage score on the song (9-0-0-3), but I've gotten 1-0-1-0 already. The song isn't hard enough to be a 12. I'm horrible at jacks, just about everyone can handle them better than I can, but they're manageable aside from the jump-jacks around 1100.

It's an 11. It's a mid-high 11. Everything can be cheated within this song for the most part. It's a very jack-oriented song; those who can jack fairly well will find it easy to cheat (64th rolls turn into 32nd jump-trills, or 16th jacks on each hand; 32nd trill is a 16th jump-jack).

It's an extremely frustrating chart, but people just have to learn to deal with it. That, or the community can come to a general consensus about how to change the rating system on FFR. Either way, the latter won't happen.

EDIT

it's not FGO, and probably not even highest FMO

the only two truly difficult sections are the two parts bmah pointed out, and I don't think that's enough of a push forward in difficulty to throw it over the FGO line

^, end of discussion

[ichliebekase]

Re: New songs: Dec 6, 2010

Ok, here - I'll put it this way.

I have EVERY FMO, except for Einstein-Rosen bridge. So does Samurai. Samurai thinks that the song is higher than an 11, but I don't. Yes, I have a garbage score on the song (9-0-0-3), but I've gotten 1-0-1-0 already. The song isn't hard enough to be a 12. I'm horrible at jacks, just about everyone can handle them better than I can, but they're manageable aside from the jump-jacks around 1100.

It's an 11. It's a mid-high 11. Everything can be cheated within this song for the most part. It's a very jack-oriented song; those who can jack fairly well will find it easy to cheat (64th rolls turn into 32nd jump-trills, or 16th jacks on each hand; 32nd trill is a 16th jump-jack).

It's an extremely frustrating chart, but people just have to learn to deal with it. That, or the community can come to a general consensus about how to change the rating system on FFR. Either way, the latter won't happen.

AJ is a judge too and just about the best player on here [now]. He isn't stupid and he's been judging files for almost a year by now with the DF engine and here.

Plus, if they were to change the entire rating system, you go find some people to go and change over 700 songs worth of difficulty rating. They'll have fun with that one.

[customstuff]

Re: New songs: Dec 6, 2010

I've AAA'd Frictional Nevada. And I do believe that my Holy Orders score is better than this. I think it's low a FGO.

[awein999]

Re: New songs: Dec 6, 2010

EVERY song on ffr is bs'able. Since when has that changed? If you compare this to a couple other fgo songs this is harder.

We need to listen to each other instead of sticking to what we have to say and getting angry about it. I'm glad I heard the points about why it should be fmo, and I hope everyone saw both sides. I think it's impossible to give this a good rating because fmo and fgo simply does not make it anymore.

[Plan_Bsk81127]

Re: New songs: Dec 6, 2010

FFR is just a joke now. XD

[ichliebekase]

Re: New songs: Dec 6, 2010

It's for Muru's only. Combine them!

No, I definitely agree with everything you said, awein. People do need to be open about the other side with this. I see where people would say "this is an FGO" and I agree on the fact that it has FGO parts. As a whole, the song isn't quite FGO worthy IMO.

[One Winged Angel]

Re: New songs: Dec 6, 2010

we need more titles with less of a range for difficulties

if people are arguing that E-RB is a 12, and others were arguing that gigadelic's a 12...lol

[foxfire667]

Re: New songs: Dec 6, 2010

Liked all the songs, liked only 2 of the 3 steps though. Einstein-Rosen Bridge has quite the annoying bursts and difficulty jumps. Reminds me on Croudpleaser where it's pretty much really easy aside from a few parts that are just rediculously gay to try to PA.

Actually trying to AAA this bad boy is probably going to be harder than a few of the FGO's out there for me, but as the true difficulty stands in my opinion:
Most parts: low / mid vc
Rest: BS high fgo patterns
Result: Maybe mid/high D11

[TC_Halogen]

Re: New songs: Dec 6, 2010

EVERY song on ffr is bs'able. Since when has that changed? If you compare this to a couple other fgo songs this is harder.

Frictional Nevada: 1325 notes, 112 seconds (11.83) - constant, ending is a bit of an oomph
La Campanella: 2888 notes, 249 seconds (11.60) - jacks and trills in the mid-section up to about 2 and a half minutes in, otherwise, fairly constant
Holy Orders: 2758 notes, 260 seconds (10.61) - awkward patterns + mega-trill, fairly constant
Tageri: 1945 notes, 204 seconds (9.53) - considered one of the easiest of FGOs, fairly constant, ending packs a punch
Ketsarku Mozgalom: 1635 notes, 158 seconds (10.35) - first 1000 notes are easy, ending is fairly difficult
Time to Eye: 1148 notes, 118 seconds (9.73) - another easy FGO, difficult hangs in the 11 area and spikes into the 12s for mere seconds because of 48th bursts
Schmollbluk: 1645 notes, 138 seconds (11.92) - rough as all hell after the first 200 notes and just doesn't stop
Crowdpleaser: 1236 notes, 158 seconds (7.82) - only a 10 at best outside of the 64th bursts/trill (and the quick little 32nd run before the end)
Reality: 921 notes, 77 seconds (11.96) - near 260 BPM 16th streaming, some jumps are chained
J'ai Envie De Plaisir X2: 1652 notes, 137 seconds (12.06) - 32nds EVERYWHERE, and even outside of the 32nds, the heavy layering is rough
Eclipse: 1445 notes, 115 seconds (12.57) - constantly a 12, then goes for a turn toward a 13 in the mega 32nd run
Counter Clockwise Chant Pattern: 1423 notes, 116 seconds (12.26) - deceptively difficult and packs a ton of steps in a short time
I Hate the 80s: 1008 notes, 102 seconds (9.88) - starts/ends very easy, but the mid-section is very fast with a low jump count, don't let the low TPS fool you
DeVouR: 1478 notes, 127 seconds (11.63) - nasty patterns everywhere, constant
Necropotence: 1695 notes, 150 seconds (11.3) - constant, not really much of a drop or increase anywhere
Mephisto Waltz: 1842 notes, 193 seconds (9.54) - perfect example of how a low stepcount is deceiving, this song is fairly tricky because of tough patterns
Winter Wind Etude: 2407 notes, 186 seconds (12.94) - almost 13 taps a second? song is constant also

Einstein Rosen Bridge: 1282 notes, 134 seconds (9.56) - a fair TPS count, but the difference is the bursts/jacks aren't at extreme speeds, and the parts outside of those are only VC-worthy at best

Point is, there's just not enough to bring it up to the FGO area.

EDIT: bolded the sometimes-contested FGOs

[ichliebekase]

Re: New songs: Dec 6, 2010

AJ just wins on all levels. There's no debating against him. Derp.