Difficulty rankings seem skewed

[rauchster]

Just unlocked {Satori} v2 randomly, so I decided to give it a try.
Saw it was ranked a 9-Challenging, and for me that can be a little tough to FC.

Now, I'm sure most people will agree that {Rose} is the toughest 9-Challenging out there.

But the vast difference between Satori v2 and Rose is astounding.

I've been trying and trying to FC Rose for months now. Still haven't done it. I've gotten as low as 2 misses.
Very first try on Satori v2 was an 18-1-0-4 FC.

I've never played a 9-Challenging that easy.
That wasn't even as tough as some 7's.

What is up with some of the rankings?
Rose isn't a 9, I'd rank it a 10.
Satori v2 isn't a 9 either, more like a 7.
And there are others out there like Blooddrunk, which I don't really think is that hard for a FMO song. I've hit 1700 combo on that song, whereas I can't even get a 300 combo on Airsul G iRock, which is a 10-VC.

[kmay]

Re: Difficulty rankings seem skewed

agreed airsul is really hard, but i don't remember satori v2 at all. Rose is very easy, i don't know what you are talking about.

[Plan_Bsk81127]

Re: Difficulty rankings seem skewed

Yeah, I find V2 easier and more boring then V1. XD

[MooMoo_Cowfreak]

Re: Difficulty rankings seem skewed

Blooddrunk is an FMO because it's INCREDIBLY difficult to get consistent accuracy on trills like that. Maybe an easy fc, but a difficult AAA.

Also: http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...ad.php?t=34509

If you'll notice, Rose is in the highest difficulty of the 9 songs, and Satori v2 is in the lower difficulties.

[silvercomet1525]

Re: Difficulty rankings seem skewed

Overall difficulty is really more of a mixture of sync, difficulty to FC, difficulty to AAA, rhythms, and speed. I agree that overall {Rose} is somewhat harder than {Satori} v2, but they're hard for different reasons.

{Satori} v2 has a few technical rhythms which makes it slightly harder to get good accuracy on than other 9's, but overall it's not that fast. On the other hand, {Rose} is mainly hard for its speed... but it has almost no tough rhythms.

[foilman8805]

Re: Difficulty rankings seem skewed

The rating system on FFR has to be somewhat broad and inclusive. You won't ever play a difficulty on this game Difficult or above that does not have songs that belong in another difficulty level. There's always some spillover, and there's always going to be a large range of songs in any given difficulty.

Take for example a Very Challenging like dot death, and then compare it to Vertex Beta. The fact that both of those songs are technically the same difficulty rating is mind boggling, because they are in fact leagues apart from each other in terms of the necessary skill needed to AAA (hell, even FC).

All of this 'skew' comes with a 13 level difficulty rating system. There's going to be some error, of course, and the R1 Actual Difficulties thread is a way to alleviate the error, because rather than 13 levels, it has 99 and can better approximate the true difficulty of a level in the game; however, don't look for a 99 level rating system to ever make its way into the game. The 13 level system is easy, and it gives the player a pretty decent idea of what to expect in my opinion.

And last, remember that was may seem easy to you will seem hard to others. I think Airsul is piss easy. You don't. I do agree that {Rose} could be a low VC though.

[rauchster]

Re: Difficulty rankings seem skewed

Must just be the way I play.

Personally I found TGWP Part 5 much easier than Rose.
And I have Adult's Sketchbook and TGWP Part 1 FC'ed, but can't even get close on the (supposedly) easier L9.

For FFR is decent song for me, yet it's ranked at the top of the 10's.
Garyoutensei is one of my favorites, because I actually do well. FC about 75% of the time.
And Jelly Roll Blues, ranked way up there, was actually my first or second 10-VC FC.

[justin_ator]

Re: Difficulty rankings seem skewed

It really does depend on the player and style of play. Like mentioned above, it is a general system, and I would say they do a pretty darn good job of placing most songs. Some people can do certain things better than others. Anyone could argue almost any songs. I could argue Garyuutensei is a low FMO, and Nuda Tenemus is a high FMO. I FC'd Tenemus on my 3rd try. I have to try like 10 times to get an FC run on the supposedly easiest FGO, Frictional Nevada.

[Tasselfoot]

Re: Difficulty rankings seem skewed

different songs are harder or easier for different people. multiple factors go into deciding what difficulty to rank a song. there is a large spectrum for each difficulty... one song may seem easy because it's a very low level of that difficulty, whereas another might be really hard, because it's all the way at the top of that difficulty.

just the way it is. but it does make for good debate.

[TC_Halogen]

Re: Difficulty rankings seem skewed

different songs are harder or easier for different people. multiple factors go into deciding what difficulty to rank a song. there is a large spectrum for each difficulty... one song may seem easy because it's a very low level of that difficulty, whereas another might be really hard, because it's all the way at the top of that difficulty.

just the way it is. but it does make for good debate.

Exactly. Many song difficulties are subjective to a different player; some people believe that certain songs should be lower and that some should be higher.

Regardless though, I have seen some songs that are a bit skewed no matter where you put it, and it does seem to occur the most between the 7-9 range. I mean, comparing ESC - Super to {Rose} or {Blaze} is pretty awkward. That's just ONE comparison (the reason I say this is because ESC is the only 9 foot song I can see myself AAAing one handed xD).

In general though, this ranking "skew" might not be as big as a skew to other players--maybe you have a forte in one skill and a weakness in another. All totally biased towards how well you play.

[MetalAtlas]

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different people do have different talents- im better at scaling with the arrows then multiple chords or such-

[STD_Sappy]

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I get like 200+ goods on AIM Anthem, yet I bf Epidermis and Disconnected Hardkore. It's what you're good at.

[Zybanthia]

Re: Difficulty rankings seem skewed

different songs are harder or easier for different people.

This goes for the people rating the files too. And I've found that the difficulty judges, and many others on this site, seem to think streaming at high speeds is really easy and anyone can do it. 200 BPM stream? What's so hard about that? I think {Rose} should be a Very Challenging and Vertex BETA should be an FMO for their speed alone (and Vertex BETA even more so because of its extremely messed up patterns). This isn't because I can't do them, but because I just don't find the speeds of those levels to be as easy as they're rated.

Jacks, on the other hand, instantly get a file like 2 difficulty boosts, and I find jacks to be piss easy.

Tass, Jimerax, and whoever else initially does the ratings are really good about listening to what others have to say though. If you have a logical discrepancy between the ratings of two different levels, go here and post about it. Just make sure you have a good case - not just "____ is harder than ____."

[jimerax]

Re: Difficulty rankings seem skewed

Rose was VC when there're avmisses, but not now.
Satori v2 is ok, possibly high-VD though.

further discussions should be done in sticked difficulty thread.