Ingame Songs/Stepfiles Discussion Thread

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  • stargroup100
    behanjc & me are <3'ers
    FFR Simfile Author
    FFR Music Producer
    • Jul 2006
    • 2051

    #436
    Re: Ingame Songs/Stepfiles Discussion Thread

    well one aspect is the lack of consistency feel. rainbow colored arrows mean that there's inconsistency in rhythms, usually leading people to feel that it's more of a live recorded feeling than something generated by a computer

    another reason is the color. rainbows are fun.

    yet another reason is that those who have played files with basic rhythms for so long might get bored of them. they may no longer find fun in interpreting basic patterns and layering, so they turn to a higher sense of expression, which is easier to create using more complicated rhythms. (this is probably the major reason because it's so vague)

    yet even another reason is that is shows the step author has much skill in syncing, causing people to feel impressed, therefore respecting the sim author

    yes, people have different opinions. it all depends on what group of players you lean toward. for example, people who play for score usually prefer less complicated rhythms because they're easier to hit and therefore allows a better score. there are exceptions, such as people who focus on accuracy or enjoy it. obviously they might enjoy rainbow note files.
    if, however, you are the tasteful player who looks for fun factor in files through expression rather than competition (usually step artists are these), then you'd look for something complicated, unique, or just done really well. it's like an art form. most of these people would enjoy colored notes because they open up a lot of possibilities

    haha sm professor. seriously I should write a book or something
    Rhythm Simulation Guide
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    Piano Etude Demon Fire sheet music

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    • -Yukari-
      FFR Player
      • Jan 2008
      • 930

      #437
      Re: Ingame Songs/Stepfiles Discussion Thread

      FYI I don't play for score because if I did I would be fixing my totally ****ty 23-1-0-1 or w/e I got on Piano X Forte.

      I play mostly for fun, especially after having my scores wiped in the past. If I'm not having fun, I'm not bothering; I learned my lesson the hard way. It has nothing to do with being "tasteful" because the definition of "tasteful" is liking something different in each person's book. So is "done really well". I'm not going to argue that PXE is synced very well, but IMO that's not all there is to making a "successful" simfile, which is ALSO subjective.

      I'm also a step artist myself, and write filesto make files fun, not to show off my ego in how well I can sync. Trust me I can write the biggest AND most accurate dump you have ever seen, but if I wouldn't enjoy playing it, I would never write it.
      Last edited by -Yukari-; 08-18-2008, 10:53 PM.
      Originally posted by ryanisadouche
      So anyways i was thinking, what if a single miss didn't stop your combo? Instead, your combo kept going until 2 consecutive misses were made. I think this would provide a more realistic ranking system, and eliminate a lot of mashing.

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      • stargroup
        FFR Player
        • Jun 2007
        • 974

        #438
        Re: Ingame Songs/Stepfiles Discussion Thread

        Originally posted by -Yukari-
        I'm not going to argue that PXE is synced very well, but IMO that's not all there is to making a "successful" simfile, which is ALSO subjective.

        I'm also a step artist myself, and write filesto make files fun, not to show off my ego in how well I can sync. Trust me I can write the biggest AND most accurate dump you have ever seen, but if I wouldn't enjoy playing it, I would never write it.
        haha you still don't get it. first of all I never even said whether or not I think piano forte is a good file. I only said why people enjoy colored notes. second, I never said the good syncing is all you need. I said you had to use it in a way that allows much room for possibility, creating ways to make your file complicated, unique, etc.

        however, many people really enjoy playing accurately syncing dumps no matter how bad the actual steps are. so if you really think you can sync so incredibly well, you'd be doing the community a favor by creating something. it's also for your own benefit too, as you'll gain a lot of respect this way

        on top of that, many step artists today are getting really lazy with syncing, so if you think you're good you could try your hand at helping them. it'd be a great help to the community as a whole, both ffr and sm

        to be clear, I'm not doubting your syncing ability by challenging them, nor am I forcing you to contribute, I'm just saying that if you're really good at syncing, you can only benefit the community by helping, hmm?

        ps tasteful does not vary between people. your opinions are either tasteful or tasteless or somewhere in between
        (´・ω・`)

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        • -Yukari-
          FFR Player
          • Jan 2008
          • 930

          #439
          Re: Ingame Songs/Stepfiles Discussion Thread

          EDIT: Reading through this thread, I'm not even going to give an actual reply because I realize I'm wasting my time. Yes, you're right Stargroup, about everything; your opinions, your speculations, and everything else.
          Last edited by -Yukari-; 08-19-2008, 12:04 AM.
          Originally posted by ryanisadouche
          So anyways i was thinking, what if a single miss didn't stop your combo? Instead, your combo kept going until 2 consecutive misses were made. I think this would provide a more realistic ranking system, and eliminate a lot of mashing.

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          • jimerax
            FFR Simfile Author
            FFR Music Producer
            • Nov 2003
            • 8185

            #440
            Re: Ingame Songs/Stepfiles Discussion Thread

            There's no room for argument about a person's taste.

            ps you'll definitely hate =pk=.
            Last edited by jimerax; 08-19-2008, 05:16 AM.

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            • smartdude1212
              2 is poo
              FFR Simfile Author
              • Sep 2005
              • 6687

              #441
              Re: Ingame Songs/Stepfiles Discussion Thread

              Well I find LGC fun because of all the one hand trills because EVERY OTHER ****ING TIME SOMEONE TRIES TO SNEAK ONE IN THAT ISN'T REBIRTH THEY GET SHOT DOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWN.

              And who the **** had the cock shoved up their ass when they accepted Almost There hoooooleeeeeeeeee ****tttt files can be hard AND fun without being annoying as **** y'know

              I'm still baffled too about how bmah's original Necropotence file wasn't accepted when, even then, it was funner than every other FMO/FGO file in that mass release. o_o

              /nostalgia

              oh and Silvuh's files are ****ing gold in my eyes
              Last edited by smartdude1212; 08-19-2008, 05:21 AM.

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              • jimerax
                FFR Simfile Author
                FFR Music Producer
                • Nov 2003
                • 8185

                #442
                Re: Ingame Songs/Stepfiles Discussion Thread

                AT was the only song that's decent and hard enough for D5 final in the queue/FMO batch, that's all.

                I thought Necro was easily acceptable with a few rhythm error/pattern fixes at that time.

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                • smartdude1212
                  2 is poo
                  FFR Simfile Author
                  • Sep 2005
                  • 6687

                  #443
                  Re: Ingame Songs/Stepfiles Discussion Thread

                  Your definition of decent stretches farrrr O:

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                  • alexdestructions
                    FFR Player
                    • Sep 2007
                    • 1757

                    #444
                    Re: Ingame Songs/Stepfiles Discussion Thread

                    I'd like to play a rainbow colored file, like Piano X Forte, very well stepped.

                    Also Necro is a decent stepfile, decent steps, lots of errors in some arrows that wouldn't go there and would need to be added.
                    Originally posted by who_cares973
                    playing with your cock is anything but easy. its really hard to keep a hard-on because of what you're doing. when i was playing with my penis i had to keep a porn video playing on the side so i could maintain a decent erection throughout the song.
                    Originally posted by xferrarix
                    actually i go under 1.2 million dollar funding to figure out whos bs in stepmania. i analyze the score using super bs technology along with buying thousand dollar cameras to understand bsing methods further. but thanks you were close!

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                    • operationstrawbarry
                      FFR Player
                      • Apr 2004
                      • 802

                      #445
                      Re: Ingame Songs/Stepfiles Discussion Thread

                      Ehhh... to me, there is no such thing as a universially perfect or even a decent file. One guy hates it while one guy likes it. Piano Forte is alright. It was fun, but it was alright. For every file, there is a divide between people that like the song/file and people that dont like it. Even a file that is superbly accurate and correct, there will still be that divide, which sux in reality because no matter what, there will be that someone or that group of someones, that will basically go out of their to find an error in something thats perfectly fine and done, and basically succeeds in doing it, announce it to the world. That perfectly done file isn't decent anymore is it? It has errors, but only to that group that found it and to whoever that group convinces. ITs just sad, but thats just the way it is.

                      Edit: Im a tiny bit late on this conversation, but whatever.

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                      • stargroup100
                        behanjc & me are <3'ers
                        FFR Simfile Author
                        FFR Music Producer
                        • Jul 2006
                        • 2051

                        #446
                        Re: Ingame Songs/Stepfiles Discussion Thread

                        Originally posted by operationstrawbarry
                        Ehhh... to me, there is no such thing as a universially perfect or even a decent file.
                        haha you don't get it either

                        no DUH. there's never going to be a perfect file that everyone likes. there will never be ANYTHING in the entire WORLD that everyone will like. but you can continue to better yourself as a stepartist in an attempt to allow as many people as possible to like your file.

                        of course, maybe this isn't even your target. I've mentioned before that there are different kinds of players. maybe instead of trying to cater to a wide audience, you might want to impress to a specific audience, or maybe even something in between

                        other thing to keep in mind is that although people have different tastes, there is a different between tasteful and tasteless. here's one example: suppose you made a file. wouldn't it feel better to get positive reviews from someone experienced than someone who has no idea what they're talking about? usually, the experienced people have developed better tastes through time, which is why we respect their opinions more

                        so even though you can't make a perfect file, you can try to cater to a certain audience or multiple audiences

                        holy crap you guys have shallow thinking

                        EDIT: ps be very careful what you call an "error." most people who say this have no idea what they're talking about or do not see what the stepartist is trying to accomplish. be very careful what you describe as an "error"
                        Last edited by stargroup100; 08-19-2008, 09:44 AM.
                        Rhythm Simulation Guide
                        Comments, criticism, suggestions, contributions, etc. are all welcome.

                        Piano Etude Demon Fire sheet music

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                        • bmah
                          shots FIRED
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                          FFR Simfile Author
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                          • Oct 2003
                          • 8448

                          #447
                          Re: Ingame Songs/Stepfiles Discussion Thread

                          Mm, I agree with stargroup, but determining who's more right or wrong in this argument is dicey.

                          Originally posted by alexdestructions
                          Also Necro is a decent stepfile, decent steps, lots of errors in some arrows that wouldn't go there and would need to be added.
                          Please submit your version with steps of your preference.

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                          • hi19hi19
                            lol happy
                            FFR Simfile Author
                            • Oct 2005
                            • 12194

                            #448
                            Re: Ingame Songs/Stepfiles Discussion Thread

                            The likelihood of Necro getting a v2 is nil, whether or not it needs one...

                            @ smartdude... I think almost every one of Shash's files has 1 handed trills, and fast ones at that. Plus, a bunch of new files with 1 handed trills are coming in soon.


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                            • smartdude1212
                              2 is poo
                              FFR Simfile Author
                              • Sep 2005
                              • 6687

                              #449
                              Re: Ingame Songs/Stepfiles Discussion Thread

                              Yes, but Shash's files are relatively old in comparison so I can't refer to them because they didn't really go through a judging process.

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                              • hi19hi19
                                lol happy
                                FFR Simfile Author
                                • Oct 2005
                                • 12194

                                #450
                                Re: Ingame Songs/Stepfiles Discussion Thread

                                LGC didn't really go through a judging process either lmao

                                It's a relic from the era when Rebirth +'d anything that was on sync. It probably wouldn't have made it through past today's judges, and not only because of the one handed trills :/


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