If double-setup isn't allowed, why is spread?

[Goldenwind]

Double-setup gives players an advantage over others, which is unfair. This is (far as I know) the reason why it's against FFR policy.

Spread, however, also does the same. I just played Hero's Theme (w.i.p.), only to be spammed by a bunch of not-really-indexable jumps (For example, 42, 86, 42 with 16th timing). Sure, it's doable, but by no means easy.

This is FFR, not IIDX. Its concept is basically being a keyboard version of DDR. While I understand that each person likes to play how they like, why does there seem to be this double-standard that double-setup is cheating, while using twice as many fingers isn't?

Why does this bug me? 'cause I technically use double-setup, yet I am far from morally cheating. I use WASD and the arrow keys at the same time, however only using 1 finger per hand (Similar to DDR, using only two feet. The double-setup just allows me to do crossovers without jumbling my hands in a mess). And when I play people, I'm almost afraid to tell them how I play, 'cause then I get in this whole big debate about "ooo, you cheat" and crap like that. *Spread/4finger* is more cheating than what I do, and yet a chunk of the songs in this game are designed for them.

I don't know where I'm going with this thread, but it's soothing to type it out, so, eh :P
So yes, now I can get back to my day.

(Note: This is how I play, http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...hp?songid=1796 )

[Nightfirecat]

Re: If double-setup isn't allowed, why is spread?

The reason was that using double setup, it was extremely easy to gain combo, which was the only thing that really mattered in scoring. I actually think that after avmisses are fixed, it won't really matter if you play double-setup or not, because you could supposedly do equally well either way.

Ex: You could combo very high on OMW or some other classical songs if you double-quadmashed, but that was because of avmisses. When they're fixed, again, I think that double-setup won't be such a problem.

[smartdude1212]

Re: If double-setup isn't allowed, why is spread?

I really hope Devonin enters this thread and does the whole 'chosen playing style' thing.

[blindreper1179]

Re: If double-setup isn't allowed, why is spread?

4 fingers 4 keys is not cheating.
4 fingers 5-8 keys would be cheating.
double setup isn't necessary cheating like how you play. but if you hit left with both fingers that is what is not allowed.

[jimerax]

Re: If double-setup isn't allowed, why is spread?

Long time ago, some people actually thought using keys besides arrow keys (and numpad) was cheating.

[Fantasticone]

Re: If double-setup isn't allowed, why is spread?

Cause spread is like using your hands on an ITG thats why.

[Kotarouchan]

Re: If double-setup isn't allowed, why is spread?

Cause spread is like using your hands on an ITG thats why.

true, but what people don't understand is that the idea of bracket-breaking in ITG is the same way for indexing. That's how I hit hands in SM (just flatten out the index to hit 2 arrows at once), or jumpstream (however it looks really ugly).

[Goldenwind]

Re: If double-setup isn't allowed, why is spread?

4 fingers 4 keys is not cheating.
4 fingers 5-8 keys would be cheating.
double setup isn't necessary cheating like how you play. but if you hit left with both fingers that is what is not allowed.

I understand, however I just don't see why.
Using 4 fingers has a distinct advantage over index.
Using double-setup has a distinct advantage over 4 fingers.

4 fingers is allowed, double-setup isn't.
/boggle

[Fantasticone]

Re: If double-setup isn't allowed, why is spread?

Double steup is not allowed cause it lets you combo jacks easily and since this game is combo score based thats why we don't allow it. Of course spread has advantage over index cause its 4 fingered but index also has advantages over spread in terms of trilly songs and etc.

[Goldenwind]

Re: If double-setup isn't allowed, why is spread?

Double steup is not allowed cause it lets you combo jacks easily and since this game is combo score based thats why we don't allow it. Of course spread has advantage over index cause its 4 fingered but index also has advantages over spread in terms of trilly songs and etc.

Using that same logic:
4-finger lets you combo jumpspams easily. Rollspams too.

Edit: Yeah, you mentioned that... missed the second half of your post >.<
But then, why do we draw the line between spread and doublesetup? Why there?

[Sprite-]

Re: If double-setup isn't allowed, why is spread?

You can choose what style of play that you use. It is no one's fault but your own that you chose the inferior style. Don't complain about it.

[Goldenwind]

Re: If double-setup isn't allowed, why is spread?

You can choose what style of play that you use. It is no one's fault but your own that you chose the inferior style. Don't complain about it.

The complaint is more than quite often I'm marked a cheater for having 8 keys that I could possibly hit, even though I'm technically WORSE off than the "less inferior style".

[Fantasticone]

Re: If double-setup isn't allowed, why is spread?

Cause double setup is like having 2 people on one ITG pad playing.

[Kotarouchan]

Re: If double-setup isn't allowed, why is spread?

Cause double setup is like having 2 people on one ITG pad playing.

actually... it's more of 2 people on 2 pads... but it only affects one set of 4 arrows.

[Goldenwind]

Re: If double-setup isn't allowed, why is spread?

Cause double setup is like having 2 people on one ITG pad playing.

Yeah, nothing much I can say to rebuttal against that.
Alright, I'll accept this answer and walk away :P