FFR Needs More/Better Beginner Songs

[Poison-]

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I'd step some but ddream crashes everytime I try to open a new song so nope

[Ristyy]

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Everyone says there needs to be more easier songs but who's willing to do it?

[Sanjixcon]

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gxNW2Ulpwk

this would be a cool easy song to step.
just end it at like 2:00

[Soundwave-]

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<noice song>

See the problem is if I were to step this I'd be tempted to get a little like jumpstreamy thing going with the drums and then get some layering in there. It wouldn't end up hard per se but it would certainly be harder than the target range here. I'd hesitate to call it beginner.

I'm almost tempted to compose a song or two. Good beginner files need simple and concise song to go with it. Anything less feels undercharted and while a beginner might not 100% get that concept having not played a completely charted song it's definitely something that you can feel.

[XelNya]

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See the problem is if I were to step this I'd be tempted to get a little like jumpstreamy thing going with the drums and then get some layering in there. It wouldn't end up hard per se but it would certainly be harder than the target range here. I'd hesitate to call it beginner.

You can do multiple difficulties if you vary it enough structure wise.

Good beginner files need simple and concise song to go with it. Anything less feels understepped and while a beginner might not 100% get that concept having not played a completely stepped song it's definitely something that you can feel.

But then all the files blend together in an uninteresting training wheel bubble. I think intentionally undercharting songs works really well when done right.

Think say, My Little Pony Medley [Standard] as a really good example of simplifying a file and doing it cleanly and fun. It's more difficult counterpart is still really damn fun too.

[Soundwave-]

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But then all the files blend together in an uninteresting training wheel bubble. I think intentionally undercharting songs works really well when done right.

Think say, My Little Pony Medley [Standard] as a really good example of simplifying a file and doing it cleanly and fun. It's more difficult counterpart is still really damn fun too.

The emphasis should have been on concise, and not so much on simple. If a song was composed for a file, it needn't be so simple as to only contain a 1:1 arrows to notes necessarily, but it can contain intentionally more prominent lines with simpler rhythms, as opposed to having balanced prominence that then needs to be undercharted to hit a target difficulty, a contrivance that's very noticeable.

My Little Pony Medley works well for an easier song because while it offers less prominent rhythms in the background for layering, the simpler lyric melodies are extremely prominent and are a good choice to chart alone.

On an aside, I dislike the heavy difficulty, I just don't think its a good chart imo, nothing related to under/overcharting.

[Wayward Vagabond]

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Gonna rape kylie and ivaltek are great examples of simplified files that still capture the essence and energy of the songs without feeling dumbed down and undercharged

[Wayward Vagabond]

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Also kick it and straight to video and numerous other files already in fame

[TheSaxRunner05]

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If I wanted to step something along these lines, what would be a good artist to look at?

[Wayward Vagabond]

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Cornandbeans

[XelNya]

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If I wanted to step something along these lines, what would be a good artist to look at?

If you are willing to sift through it, the flashbulb is usually pretty good. Certain stuff from Monstercat leads to be easily charted too. But it'd all depend on what you can use from them.

[PhantomPuppy]

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if someone wants to step a songerino my friend and i made a while back im totally fine with that. ofc, the mastering is kinda... meh.

but i do think it'd make a fun little beginner file.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUchbp43vfI

[happyhardcor3]

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are we talking like 1 - 10 difficulty range? game seriously needs some better tracks in that department. need to cover more genre's as well the biggest problem I've had with getting people into this game is the songs 1-3 do not have enough varity as far as genre goes.... you can play a bunch of boring generic electronic trance dance tracks. basically its like, Hey here is this really fun game but you cant actually have fun listening to the music until you play freespace and baby don't you want me 200x ea (generally a 5 difficulty or more will auto kill brand new players)

[TheSaxRunner05]

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I think we are seriously hurting everything like 1-30

[rushyrulz]

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Well it ends up just being the same old song and dance (pun kinda intended) of there not being enough beginner files, but nobody wanting to step easy shit.

Honestly, I think there is ample content for beginners and newer players (~600 songs difficulty 40 and under), but we run into the problem of only half of that being *good* content. Unfortunately, I'm not sure there is a solution since newer players are going to run into legacy content and not know that it was kept for the feels. In one way, older, lower quality charts are killing the new player experience (maybe not to a monumental degree, but still), but at the same time, nobody really cares because everyone active in the community understands and it really isn't that big of a deal since our main priority isn't to reign in 10k new users a day and retain half of them.

So sure, we can step better stuff in that difficulty range, but I don't think it will resolve the issues stated in the OP because there still remains an entire genre of [subjective]shit[/subjective] that probably does more harm than good for new user retention. We then circle back to the legacy file issue, which has been slowly chipped away at for the better part of a decade, and at some point was slightly appeased by the banishment of all bluenote or otherwise [subjective]garbage[/subjective] files to its own genre. From a new user's perspective, given the new engine changes, I doubt they even use the genre system anymore and just stumble upon legacy files by sorting through the difficulty range sections of R^3. 3 days later, snowball into: wow half this game's content is garbage, osu here I come so I can masturbate to anime with one hand and play video games at the same time with the other (get offended).

But what's the solution you ask? Glad you asked. Here's my masterful two-step plan to filter out the legacy garbage for people who don't know/don't care about it and keep it for those who want it:

Step 1) Add an opt-in checkbox for legacy content in Other Options in R^3 that will enable the legacy genre's songs to be visible/playable/searchable. New players won't even know it exists unless they go snooping through page 4 of the options, at which point you can inform them that checking this box will probably leave a bad taste in their mouths. Great now that we've successfully filtered out the low-quality beginner content......

Step 2) Build empire of god-tier beginner files with a diff 40- special batch or 3 -which is actually the hard part, see first sentence of post- but I've seen this community pull off crazier shit.



tl;dr: banishing legacy content to the legacy genre is no longer effective and newer users still get trapped into playing bad content which deters them from playing this game. We need to do a banishment phase 2 which creates an opt-in situation for legacy content so that unsuspecting brand new users aren't seeing the words "Terror From Beyond" until they are actually interested in improving their ranks.