Hand Speed & FFR Rank (STEPMANIA LIBEL)

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  • Arch0wl
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    FFR Simfile Author
    • Dec 2002
    • 6344

    #1

    Hand Speed & FFR Rank (STEPMANIA LIBEL)

    it's been brought to my attention that a lot of people seem to think FFR rank has any correlation with overall hand speed for music games

    FFR rank only has a minor correlation with hand speed when you start getting to the highest tiers of the game; otherwise, it's mostly combo-consistency since that is how FFR is scored. if FFR rank = hand speed, songs that test your un-mashed hand speed would be worth more than any other song -- and they aren't

    this allegation was brought up to me by Dinglesberry

    Originally posted by Dinglesberry
    Everytime i see arch0wl post im just like "LOL HE WROTE A GUIDE ON FINGER EXCERCISES AND HE'S NOT EVEN UNDER RANK 1000". like shit man you lose all your credibility with your signature lol, not that it matters but damn
    so listen up DINGLES BERRY (if that even IS your real name)

    FFR rank is a terrible indicator of finger speed. my rank was about 450 at the time of writing the guides, and jumped a bunch of places depending on how the ranks were calculated. but this doesn't matter, because rank is not calculated to determine hand speed, and I haven't played at least half of the songs in the game. I don't play FFR in general because I browse on a chromebook, which means my keyboard for playing is nonstandard, and when I do have a good keyboard -- aka on my desktop -- I'm going to want to play Stepmania, not FFR.

    most of my scores are also index, not spread. this is an entirely different playstyle, and should cause you to drastically rethink my scores.



    ^ this is a better mental image of what me playing FFR looks like.

    if you want a better indication of my hand speed you should check out something like this



    my best speed, bare-handed, is about 1040.

    my best theoretical bare-handed (i.e. achieved this speed with one hand but not both) is about 1080.

    note that the world-record cap for bare hand speed is about -80 off from the sticks record, i.e. the world record for sticks is about 1220 and the world record for bare hands is about 1140. here are records for sticks:



    you could also refer to this:



    or this:



    (which has yet to be passed, though I've come the closest of anyone so far)

    anyway, point is

    judging my speed by FFR rank

    god damn

    what kind of savage do you think I am
    Last edited by Arch0wl; 02-25-2017, 08:55 PM. Reason: http://i.imgur.com/1Ejr8WZ.jpg
  • devonin
    Very Grave Indeed
    Event Staff
    FFR Simfile Author
    • Apr 2004
    • 10120

    #2
    Re: Hand Speed & FFR Rank (STEPMANIA LIBEL)

    Did you...did you seriously make a THREAD about this?

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    • Arch0wl
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      FFR Simfile Author
      • Dec 2002
      • 6344

      #3
      Re: Hand Speed & FFR Rank (STEPMANIA LIBEL)

      most barbaric accusations brought against me in years

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      • leonid
        I am leonid
        FFR Simfile Author
        FFR Music Producer
        • Oct 2008
        • 8080

        #4
        Re: Hand Speed & FFR Rank (STEPMANIA LIBEL)

        You don't have to be the best player to be a good guide.



        Proud member of Team No

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        • leonid
          I am leonid
          FFR Simfile Author
          FFR Music Producer
          • Oct 2008
          • 8080

          #5
          Re: Hand Speed & FFR Rank (STEPMANIA LIBEL)

          That said I never read your guides hur hur rekt



          Proud member of Team No

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          • Dinglesberry
            longing
            • Dec 2007
            • 2679

            #6
            Re: Hand Speed & FFR Rank (STEPMANIA LIBEL)

            Dude you made a thread called "Shit talk my old writing", why call me out on shit talking your old writing LOL

            I didn't read the whole post but you have slow hands bro sorry

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            • Dinglesberry
              longing
              • Dec 2007
              • 2679

              #7
              Re: Hand Speed & FFR Rank (STEPMANIA LIBEL)

              LOL IS THIS THE GUIDE PART 4 LOLO

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              • V-Ormix
                Banned
                • Aug 2008
                • 4677

                #8
                Re: Hand Speed & FFR Rank (STEPMANIA LIBEL)

                why have fast hands when u can have orange hands

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                • Dinglesberry
                  longing
                  • Dec 2007
                  • 2679

                  #9
                  Re: Hand Speed & FFR Rank (STEPMANIA LIBEL)

                  Originally posted by Arch0wl
                  FFR rank only has a minor correlation with hand speed when you start getting to the highest tiers of the game; otherwise, it's mostly combo-consistency since that is how FFR is scored. if FFR rank = hand speed, songs that test your un-mashed hand speed would be worth more than any other song -- and they aren't


                  Tell that to Hyeon pal

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                  • Arch0wl
                    Banned
                    FFR Simfile Author
                    • Dec 2002
                    • 6344

                    #10
                    Re: Hand Speed & FFR Rank (STEPMANIA LIBEL)

                    Originally posted by Dinglesberry
                    that's covered by "when you start getting to the highest tiers of the game"

                    i.e. the differences within the top 50-100 will be due to hand speed, and there will be a correlation with hand speed, but what places someone in this rank will be only a fraction of total hand speed

                    the video you linked is actually a good example of this because it's measuring one kind of hand speed -- extensors, in particular, or trill speed to simplify.

                    hyeon would not be so fast at, say, bare-handing a drumometer pad, which is an extremely different kind of speed metric

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                    • Snapps
                      NO DOUBT GET LOUD
                      FFR Simfile Author
                      • Sep 2003
                      • 5650

                      #11
                      Re: Hand Speed & FFR Rank (STEPMANIA LIBEL)

                      your popn technique is still bad

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                      • devonin
                        Very Grave Indeed
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                        FFR Simfile Author
                        • Apr 2004
                        • 10120

                        #12
                        Re: Hand Speed & FFR Rank (STEPMANIA LIBEL)

                        I need to get a Drumometer

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                        • blindreper1179
                          Vice President Of TGB
                          • Jun 2006
                          • 5900

                          #13
                          Re: Hand Speed & FFR Rank (STEPMANIA LIBEL)

                          ffr isn't combo based anymore bro.
                          Originally posted by thesunfan
                          absolutely I want to vomit on your face irl
                          Originally posted by choof
                          It was like trying to throw logic at a fuckin brick wall lmao
                          Originally posted by choof
                          whats more dense, a black hole or an icyworld file
                          Originally posted by Celirra
                          I've never been so disappointed by a man from Alabama than I am right now

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                          • Arch0wl
                            Banned
                            FFR Simfile Author
                            • Dec 2002
                            • 6344

                            #14
                            Re: Hand Speed & FFR Rank (STEPMANIA LIBEL)

                            Originally posted by blindreper1179
                            ffr isn't combo based anymore bro.
                            right, but this is orthogonal to my point -- regardless of how ffr is scored, it's not going to select for all kinds of hand speed but rather very particular kinds of hand speed, and it's not going to directly measure that but rather correlate with it

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                            • Arch0wl
                              Banned
                              FFR Simfile Author
                              • Dec 2002
                              • 6344

                              #15
                              Re: Hand Speed & FFR Rank (STEPMANIA LIBEL)

                              Originally posted by devonin
                              I need to get a Drumometer
                              The Drumometer II Full Kit is a drummer's best tool for measuring accuracy and getting immediate feedback during practice sessions.


                              I highly recommend it

                              regardless of how many people hate on the device, it is extremely useful for measuring hand speed progressions

                              it's expensive, so that probably explains some of the negativity, but I've not found a cheaper solution for measuring speed development accurately

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