Should FFR have D8?

[remedy1502]

Re: Should FFR have D8?

I don't know, I just feel really weird. Having a division of 5 people doesn't feel like a division to me, it's just Mega Rayquaza-ing the top players in the game. How would we even accommodate D8? You can't make an 8 round elimination tournament out of 5 people.

first d7 tournament was cumulative iirc
no eliminations

[VisD]

Re: Should FFR have D8?

remove divisions & watch official tournaments (the only periods when the site actually becomes interesting to follow) die v miserably

It's bad enough that d1 is the smallest division. Let's at least try to keep them engaged, or this place will turn into an (even bigger) d5+-only-circlejerk


As for D8, doesn't really matter to me although I would like to see it if only because it'd be interesting (and give more top-end players motivation to actually play properly rather than waiting to get run over by gigantic 18-wheel foregone conclusions). I don't see a small number of players there as a bad thing - it becomes another thing for d7 players to work towards if they want, as well as allowing the premier division to carry a level of exclusivity befitting of premiership.

These are not huge benefits but I don't see any actual drawbacks, other than the fact that some of the bottom of d8 will now finish out of the $credit$. Which lol

eta: also, a 9-person 8-round d8 would be cool to watch.

[hi19hi19]

Re: Should FFR have D8?

VisD basically said everything I was going to say.

Removing divisions is a terrible idea, at least with the current way officials are run (with week-long rounds etc.) and whether or not D8 exists "officially recognized" is honestly far less of a big deal than it's being made out to be. Especially because everyone playing at the high D7 level more or less knows how they stack up in terms of various skills against everyone else at that level already.

[TC_Halogen]

Re: Should FFR have D8?

and then once the skill curve expands again: "should there be a D(x)?"

not to mention there are other divisions with very large skill gaps as well that could easily be separated (D2 is/has been a nasty one in the past, and the boundary of D4/D5 and D5/D6 has always been argued).

official tournaments would need to have structural considerations if divisionless -- the ideal scenario for making a gauntlet (knock-out) style tournament work in a single division is rather boring earlier on for upper level players, but gives the opportunity to make organization a lot easier and is at least open to lower-level players

hmmm... I may run a user tournament with this concept to see how it works, just as a tester.

EDIT: worth saying/reiterating that i'm personally against the idea of divisions - it gives the opportunity for players of lower skills to get recognition over players who are stronger simply because they managed to get the lucky end of the arbitrary divisional cutoffs. there's a number of ways to better handle things, in my opinion.

[HeZe]

Re: Should FFR have D8?

D8 should be just D7 files with rates. There wouldn't be enough D8 players to justify all the effort of adding unique songs

[Dynam0]

Re: Should FFR have D8?

I know removing divisions might seem like you're taking the carrot away from the horse but players should find a new motivator from a one division setting. Why not shoot for Top 100, Top 50, etc? It's a much more authentic goal imo

Why care about credit earnings or 1st place medals for an arbitrary skill cut-off you happened to be sitting on?

*sigh*

[Charu]

Re: Should FFR have D8?

Meh, I still don't think there needs to be a D8 imo. But... eh... idk, I'm not the best judge in the world for this crud.

And here I thought joking about another division was all that was gonna happen, dohoho.

[Walrusizer]

Re: Should FFR have D8?

The difference between low d7 and the best players in the game is far larger than the difference between d1 and low d7

[Dinglesberry]

Re: Should FFR have D8?

I know removing divisions might seem like you're taking the carrot away from the horse but players should find a new motivator from a one division setting. Why not shoot for Top 100, Top 50, etc? It's a much more authentic goal imo

Why care about credit earnings or 1st place medals for an arbitrary skill cut-off you happened to be sitting on?

*sigh*

I always felt like divisions are a relative thing of sorts.. D7 is really only as good as it is because it's so much better relative to D6..

My argument is, how would D8 even occur.. Would songs continue getting harder? What actually constitutes making a song harder? I suppose perhaps the factor is speed - Lets say you took a song like powerflux, and did it 1.1x rate.. does this become a D8 song?

That begs the question, is speed the factor that determines how good you are? I'd argue is there is a limit on how many patterns and such are even possible, since its 4 key..

I think harder songs are going to have stuff like literal jump-stream, as in streams that are composed of jumps instead of single notes, or maybe uber jumpstream where the notes that would normally be jumps are hands and the single notes are jumps? I dunno

[Fantasticone]

Re: Should FFR have D8?

Yes, there is too great of a difference between the low and very high end D7

[xXOpkillerXx]

Re: Should FFR have D8?

But then how do you even decide who's in D8. Look at the current tournament board... There's still a world of difference between every score in the Top 5 players in D7...

[blanky!]

Re: Should FFR have D8?

I wish everyone could meet up at a specified place with a lot of good computers for a couple days of the year, and then host 2-3 hour rounds all day long. Because one week is slightly too long for a round but it's necessary due to misc. obligations.

[kmay]

Re: Should FFR have D8?

I see no other way to run a tournament on here other than divisions. If everyone was generally the same skill i can see a mass tournament where you aim to be the top 100/50/25 or so... but there is no competing for those spots when you can clearly see that D1/2/3/4/5 player would most likely be eliminated by round 2 or 3. much less time for that player to skill boost. And what song difficulty would be used... like start off at a 30 so the D1 players stand a chance while the rest of the community plays the file bored out of their mind?


Also yes there should be a non-elimination for D8 just as there was for D7. watching the top tier players battle it out would be fun for everyone to watch.

[PhantomPuppy]

Re: Should FFR have D8?

i voted no because like someone else already said, with enough time people will just ask if there's going to be a D9. we wouldn't get anywhere.

i like the idea of not having any divisions at all; makes it easier.

[rayword45]

Re: Should FFR have D8?

Maybe before we make a D8, we broaden out the bottom 5 or 6 divisions?

I know removing divisions might seem like you're taking the carrot away from the horse but players should find a new motivator from a one division setting. Why not shoot for Top 100, Top 50, etc? It's a much more authentic goal imo

Why care about credit earnings or 1st place medals for an arbitrary skill cut-off you happened to be sitting on?

*sigh*

Prizes have also included custom files, albums, shirts, tokens, cash and cookies. That is FAR more enticing than being in the top 100 vibrators.