Should Raw Scoring be used to calculate Grandtotal?

[PrawnSkunk]

June edit: Thank you everyone for your feedback. The Grandtotal scoring system will continue to be calculated using Combo Scoring. This is still subject to change, so any additional updates will be announced on the front page.

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Raw Scoring is now the default scoring system across all engines. However, Combo Scoring still plays an important role here on FFR. Your Grandtotal and credits earned after playing a song are determined by Combo Scoring.

For those in favor of phasing out Combo Scoring completely, I would propose the following model: The Grandtotal of a “AAA” score divided by its Raw Score is 31. Therefore, multiplying your final Raw Score by 31 would generate your new Grandtotal.

What Grandtotal model should FFR use in the future? We will use your feedback to determine which model is best for the future of FFR. Our decision will be announced and take effect on June 1st.

[U][B]Current “Combo Scoring” Grandtotal Model:[/B][/U]
(Max Combo x 1000) + ( Perfect x 550 ) + ( Good x 275 ) + ( Average x 55 ) - ( Miss x 310 ) - ( Boo x 20 )

[U][B]Proposed “Raw Scoring” Grandtotal Model:[/B][/U]
31 x ( Perfect x 50 ) + ( Good x 25 ) + ( Average x 5 ) - ( Miss x 10 ) - ( Boo x 5 )

[FF_rules]

Re: Should Raw Scoring be used to calculate Grandtotal?

I see no real flaws here, the only downside would be for people trying to get credits via combo scoring (full combo low PA). Not bothering to do the math here; what happens when you compare a score with variable Good/Average full combo in both scoring methods. Does the formula fluctuate at different points? (in a comparison of similar scores)

[Zageron]

Re: Should Raw Scoring be used to calculate Grandtotal?

I believe that grand total could be accumulated as explained in the op, however I think that credits should be combo locked. Combo and credits are both pretty much irrespective of skill, and it would be nice to keep a "bonus" for having high combos.

[HeZe]

Re: Should Raw Scoring be used to calculate Grandtotal?

I believe that grand total could be accumulated as explained in the op, however I think that credits should be combo locked. Combo and credits are both pretty much irrespective of skill, and it would be nice to keep a "bonus" for having high combos.

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[HikamitheSoulReaper]

Re: Should Raw Scoring be used to calculate Grandtotal?

combo for the credits and raw scoring for the grandtotal...

[noname219]

Re: Should Raw Scoring be used to calculate Grandtotal?

Is it easier to rack up points using the proposed raw scoting formula ? Because I have the impression that it would be harder to get 500 million/1 billion per day. I could be wrong.

Also, yes, credits should definitely be calculated with combo scoring.

[XCV]

Re: Should Raw Scoring be used to calculate Grandtotal?

Is it easier to rack up points using the proposed raw scoting formula ? Because I have the impression that it would be harder to get 500 million/1 billion per day. I could be wrong.

Multiplying raw score by 31 effectively gives you the old score with a full combo. So, yes.

[ThunderFlip]

Re: Should Raw Scoring be used to calculate Grandtotal?

Is it easier to rack up points using the proposed raw scoting formula ? Because I have the impression that it would be harder to get 500 million/1 billion per day. I could be wrong.

With some rough calculations here: The average quad mash on VS Boss Battle would probably go from something like 1.1-1.2m with combo scoring down to 900-950k (did a few test runs and calculated the raw total score). That brings the required time spent from ~14-15 hrs to ~17-19 hrs... which I think would make it much more difficult than previously, considering the amount of leeway time you are cutting. You'd have to really focus on PA the entire time or you'd just have to go for longer and take less breaks, either of which are a lot of strain after you've already been going for that long. Still quite possible, just a lot more of a pain in the butt.

[ilikexd]

Re: Should Raw Scoring be used to calculate Grandtotal?

With combo not affecting GT gained, wouldn't vROFL then give an unjustifiably high amount of GT/time with little effort?

[rushyrulz]

Re: Should Raw Scoring be used to calculate Grandtotal?

noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

There are way too many people on this site (myself included) that pride themselves by reaching certain grand total score milestones. To get that wiped out would be a total disgrace. What's the point of this transition? All other ranking is already done by raw score. Total score can't be obliterated since it is used to determine credit payouts, so it's not a matter of some agenda to get rid of total score altogether. I think you just hate us gamewhores.

[_Zenith_]

Re: Should Raw Scoring be used to calculate Grandtotal?

noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

There are way too many people on this site (myself included) that pride themselves by reaching certain grand total score milestones. To get that wiped out would be a total disgrace. What's the point of this transition? All other ranking is already done by raw score. Total score can't be obliterated since it is used to determine credit payouts, so it's not a matter of some agenda to get rid of total score altogether. I think you just hate us gamewhores.

Hakulyte would probably be happy and quit at the same time as he is literally only 5 points away from 100 billion.

Personally, keep GT/Credits with Combo Scoring while score recording and tournaments stay based off of Raw Scoring. Just a little observation as I was gone for a few days, I know that this is a question/poll that is nearly important to FFR's future, but I agree with Rushy.

[Deidara837]

Re: Should Raw Scoring be used to calculate Grandtotal?

Also, how would it be possible to convert current GTs to raw scoring GTs? As far as I can tell each profile's GT is composed of a sum of thousands of plays, much of which the only thing being recorded is the combo score that's added to the GT. I'm doubtful that one could take a profile and run a decomposition of every song an account has played and convert each song to raw scoring GT and re-sum them.

I'd be in favor of keeping combo for GT and credits as otherwise there's just about no meaning behind a FC, which makes that whole stat bar kind of pointless. If you've got a better non-FC raw score there's not really an incentive to FC except to get rid of that 2.4g *ahem* that miss.

[lurker]

Re: Should Raw Scoring be used to calculate Grandtotal?

noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

There are way too many people on this site (myself included) that pride themselves by reaching certain grand total score milestones. To get that wiped out would be a total disgrace.

this isn't mentioned so i assume it's not part of the plan

Also, how would it be possible to convert current GTs to raw scoring GTs?

this isn't mentioned so i assume it's not part of the plan

i still voted no because making it harder to accumulate GT on near-perfect scores is kinda lame

[tosh]

Re: Should Raw Scoring be used to calculate Grandtotal?

Grandtotal can still be based off of the combo scoring formula for all I care, but credits definitely should be based off of raw score imo.

[noname219]

Re: Should Raw Scoring be used to calculate Grandtotal?

Thinking about it, I do think that raw scoring is a better calculation method BUT at the current state, switching to raw scoring would cause a devaluation of past grandtotals. It's been clear that increasing your grandtotal does not require skill but is simply a measure of your activity level. (which combo scoring is able to calculate)

Also, how would it be possible to convert current GTs to raw scoring GTs? As far as I can tell each profile's GT is composed of a sum of thousands of plays, much of which the only thing being recorded is the combo score that's added to the GT. I'm doubtful that one could take a profile and run a decomposition of every song an account has played and convert each song to raw scoring GT and re-sum them.

This is not possible since individual scores are not recorded (only your best is saved and the song total is being added to your grandtotal). Even with vague approximations, we could end up with huge differences depending of the style of each player.