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  • Xiz
    TWG Chaos
    FFR Simfile Author
    • Feb 2012
    • 3399

    #1

    Attention Staff & Users: Please Stop Fighting

    First off, we would like to apologize to those who we will offend in this post. We understand that we will most likely be burning a bunch of bridges by posting this, and perhaps loose some good friends... but the elephants in the room need to be addressed so FFR can move on as either a company, or as a community project. We hope that this can be taken constructively, so FFR can grow and thrive. We understand that these leaks will most likely result in this thread being deleted, and/or us being banned and we accept all charges against us. But please know, that we are saying this to help FFR because this toxicity needs to be addressed and resolved, and hopefully this will become a self reflection for those inflicting harm on others to realize what they are doing to others.


    Recently there have been numerous posts in threads where FFR users have been blatantly insulting the FFR staff, regardless if they are correct or not instead of approaching the issue in a diplomatic manner. These insults range from private PM's, to openly backhanding various staff members ignoring the opportunity to approach the problem with constructive criticism. Examples range such as this:

    (To protect the identities and reputations of the individuals, all images have been censored.)







    There also have been numerous threads where members of the FFR staff have used petty insults and inappropriate language describing members of the FFR community in public threads, instead of releasing neutral statements. Even in scenarios where neutral statements are posted, other staff members have not been acting to a professional level.
    There also have been numerous nonprofessional acts that have taken place behind closed doors, such as through programs like skype, and slack. This has been going on for years now, all the way up to even today.

    (The following was in response to the _Zenith_ thread in February)










    We strongly recommend that a level of professionalism be held, especially if the intention for FFR is to become successful. These petty insults and high school-esk drama filled rants on both sides need to be eliminated so the company can move on, and for both staff and users could be respected amongst one another. We also strongly recommend that criticism should be taken without hostility and retribution, but instead with care and thoughtful reason. Without the basics of cooperation, there is a minimal chance that FFR will survive.


    Once again, we deeply apologize for those who we have insulted and hope the friendships we have gained are not tarnished because of this thread. We hope that this thread brings light to the issues so everyone on FFR can move on. But We do care for FFR, and wish for it's success. We are not asking for an apology, but more awareness to what both sides have been doing to each other, and how it hurts us to see our friends hurt one another. It's for these reasons why we have stopped making files, stopped making videos on this website, and have had little to no interest and motivation to help FFR. The hostility of our friends hurting one another is too overwhelming and exhausting when it could be easily avoided, and we want no part in a website where the foundation of the FFR community resides in these toxic principles.


    (It would be ideal if this thread would remain constructive and diplomatic.)


    - Xiz & Fission

  • j-rodd123
    End of the road
    • Oct 2006
    • 3692

    #2
    Re: Attention Staff & Users: Please Stop Fighting

    if you wanna fight play twg, u can call anyone anything and hopefully they wont be a big bitch

    Originally posted by FictionJunction
    wow

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    • Charu
      Snivy! Dohoho!
      FFR Simfile Author
      • Mar 2006
      • 6161

      #3
      Re: Attention Staff & Users: Please Stop Fighting

      Heh, j-rodd with the advertisement (btw yes play twg)

      I'm gonna take a neutral stance to this because I agree with majority of what has been said.

      However...

      Originally posted by Xiz
      There also have been numerous nonprofessional acts that have taken place behind closed doors, such as through programs like skype, and slack. This has been going on for years now, all the way up to even today.
      This is simply human nature, whether we like it or not. People vent, people joke, people say the nastiest things in a closed door setting because the public can't see their raw opinions at that point in time.

      I mean, for instance, no one would know that I hate some files on FFR, OOPS!!! I TOTALLY JUST SAID THIS, SHIT!!!


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      All in all I would say that Charu not only won this game, his play made me reconsider how I play it.

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      • gold stinger
        Signature Extraordinare~~
        Event Staff
        Game Manager
        FFR Simfile Author
        FFR Music Producer
        • Jan 2007
        • 6428

        #4
        Re: Attention Staff & Users: Please Stop Fighting

        To be fair, I've had my disagreements with someone yesterday, and he's had disagreements with me as well. I was waiting for a message back, but a thread got deleted instead.

        I would prefer these types of conflicts to cease. I don't like fighting myself, but lately, when I try to view it from a staff member's angle, it feels like a burden to deal with users rather than building a community. It's not leading anywhere nice, just a greater divide between players and staff.

        @Charu:
        It's not about what happens behind closed doors, to state it bluntly it's about projecting that sort of bias that is developed behind closed doors and allowing it to reflect what you do on this website. I've talked with Zenith occasionally and I hear that he is still being judged by his actions when he was part of the FFR Events team, albeit he has apologized. He even made a thread for it but it was heavily criticized because people began judging the way he was apologizing.
        Last edited by gold stinger; 04-5-2015, 12:37 PM.
        Originally posted by YoshL
        butts.


        - Tosh 2014






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        • choof
          Banned
          FFR Simfile Author
          • Nov 2013
          • 8563

          #5
          Re: Attention Staff & Users: Please Stop Fighting

          good job posting a thread that will only help to alienate the community even more

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          • choof
            Banned
            FFR Simfile Author
            • Nov 2013
            • 8563

            #6
            Re: Attention Staff & Users: Please Stop Fighting

            like
            if this is even remotely a reason why ffr is not getting the attention it needs behind the scenes, then the entirety of the staff needs to be restructured

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            • gold stinger
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              Game Manager
              FFR Simfile Author
              FFR Music Producer
              • Jan 2007
              • 6428

              #7
              Re: Attention Staff & Users: Please Stop Fighting

              It may not remotely be a reason why ffr is not getting the attention it needs behind the scenes, I wouldn't know, only dev & admin team knows that, and they haven't officially said anything concerning what they're doing, except yesterday hinting that they have 2 projects that they were working on, but the thread has been since deleted.

              but it could remotely be a reason why people decide to stop browsing the forums, stop using the website, or just not even join in the first place (which is a long shot to say the least). Toxicity in the community can make a big impact in that sense.
              Originally posted by YoshL
              butts.


              - Tosh 2014






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              • choof
                Banned
                FFR Simfile Author
                • Nov 2013
                • 8563

                #8
                Re: Attention Staff & Users: Please Stop Fighting

                oh hey velocity was viewing the thread and now he's not
                someone got called the fuck out

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                • hi19hi19
                  lol happy
                  FFR Simfile Author
                  • Oct 2005
                  • 12194

                  #9
                  Re: Attention Staff & Users: Please Stop Fighting

                  I think even the League of Legends community, a known cesspool of toxicity and entitlement, is more appreciative of the Riot devs than anything I see on FFR.


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                  • gold stinger
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                    Game Manager
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                    FFR Music Producer
                    • Jan 2007
                    • 6428

                    #10
                    Re: Attention Staff & Users: Please Stop Fighting

                    nice double postings
                    Originally posted by YoshL
                    butts.


                    - Tosh 2014






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                    • SC_coolguy44
                      Harmonoize
                      • Sep 2007
                      • 1041

                      #11
                      Re: Attention Staff & Users: Please Stop Fighting

                      Originally posted by gold stinger
                      It may not remotely be a reason why ffr is not getting the attention it needs behind the scenes, I wouldn't know, only dev & admin team knows that, and they haven't officially said anything concerning what they're doing, except yesterday hinting that they have 2 projects that they were working on, but the thread has been since deleted.

                      but it could remotely be a reason why people decide to stop browsing the forums, stop using the website, or just not even join in the first place (which is a long shot to say the least). Toxicity in the community can make a big impact in that sense.
                      That project thing where the community has to give random codenames for it so it can be cryptic as who knows what and the admin who gave that idea is just beating around the bush would just drive the community really far way.

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                      • hi19hi19
                        lol happy
                        FFR Simfile Author
                        • Oct 2005
                        • 12194

                        #12
                        Re: Attention Staff & Users: Please Stop Fighting

                        Oh no I said something better accuse the staff of circlejerking instead of at least being moderately appreciative of one of the biggest engine updates in the site's history that happenened earlier this week.


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                        • gold stinger
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                          • Jan 2007
                          • 6428

                          #13
                          Re: Attention Staff & Users: Please Stop Fighting

                          so the biggest update in the FFR's site history was an april fools joke, attached with raw scoring?

                          edit:
                          forgive me I didn't mean to stray this thread, just frustration from yesterday getting the better of me, and site lag.

                          double-edit:
                          actually, my post & hi19hi19's post is a very common example of what's trying to be explained and what needs to stop happening.
                          Last edited by gold stinger; 04-5-2015, 01:19 PM.
                          Originally posted by YoshL
                          butts.


                          - Tosh 2014






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                          • hi19hi19
                            lol happy
                            FFR Simfile Author
                            • Oct 2005
                            • 12194

                            #14
                            Re: Attention Staff & Users: Please Stop Fighting

                            I just find it amusing that it's the same group of users who begin every series of complaint posts, yet it's the staff's fault for responding, yet it's also the staff's fault if they don't repond because then there is no transparency.

                            But you know even though its always us starting the shit (this very thread, for example), lets work TOGETHER to stop it.
                            Gets really old.
                            Last edited by hi19hi19; 04-5-2015, 01:25 PM.


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                            • Kraezymann
                              Forum User
                              FFR Simfile Author
                              • Sep 2003
                              • 1640

                              #15
                              Re: Attention Staff & Users: Please Stop Fighting

                              Remember the Golden Rule, folks.

                              I mean really, just be nice
                              Last edited by Kraezymann; 04-5-2015, 01:30 PM.
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