ATTN: FFRevolution

[gold stinger]

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holy shit is that Kagome?

[hi19hi19]

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Recycling staff wouldn't be a bad idea because you wouldn't have people getting into niches and cliques to where other people don't have a good time.

Suddenly this thread is about whether you are able to have a good time interacting with the staff.

I... have nothing to add, then.
Good luck accomplishing whatever you want this thread to accomplish.

[Charu]

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Being non-profit has nothing to do with it. I haven't done it publicly, but I have explained that opening up FFR to contributors is what needs to happen. Look at any huge open source project on Github for example. They can add functionality rapidly because of their open nature.

Whether making parts of FFR the game and the website open source will actually solve the issue is something I don't think anybody can predict.

Being open sourced sounds like a good way to have the general public "in the know" a lot more. I definitely support this idea heavily.

[Fission]

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I agree that cleaning up infrastructure should be a priority. I don't think suddenly dumping several new people on that task will help complete it any better.

This is what code reviews are for. Full control of development still belongs to the head developers -- they don't have to include subpar code if they don't want to. It's simply fact that the development team is getting pulled in too many directions right now and it's too difficult to cover a significant amount of ground without easing the onboarding process for more developers.

My point is, whatever new staff members are added are also inevitably going to have obligations outside of FFR.

You may have ample free time to work on FFR now, but suddenly you get a different job. Have to move. Get a girlfriend. Start taking classes. Get sick.
You still contribute when you can but suddenly now you're the "lazy staff" and so you're worthless and should just be thrown out for someone else, right?

I'm not suggesting to get rid of them, don't get the wrong idea. I'm stating that because people can't commit full time to FFR's development that it needs to have more developers than an organization that can afford them full time.

[tosh]

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wait wait wait, im very confused what the issue is here. is it that there isnt enough staff to get work done that is expected by some in the community, or is it that ppl are complaining that the staff themselves are the issue??

A little bit of both, tbh. Understaffed in the aspect that this is a volunteer position and the staff have stuff outside of FFR to worry about so they aren't able to devote all of their resources to dealing with some issues/implementing promised features.

Staff themselves in the sense that some people say that the current staff sometimes tries to bite off more than they can chew and that arguably some people may be able to fit that particular role better.

I can't believe you're NOT butter.

You need to come up with butter jokes than that.

[_Zenith_]

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Suddenly this thread is about whether you are able to have a good time interacting with the staff.

I... have nothing to add, then.
Good luck accomplishing whatever you want this thread to accomplish.

No no, I apologize, I didn't really even attempt to come up with an answer but now I will.

What I meant to say is you won't have staff members who let their power get to their head (not saying anyone is currently but I bet it's happened before) and having staff recycles would prevent events where this would occur.

[hi19hi19]

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I feel like we have Zenith off on one side stewing in a pile of salt about some incident that I know nothing about, and he's just inciting shit under the guise of discussing the staff because he can get away with it.

Then there's Charu and Fission and I and the occasional other person who wants to take the topic seriously.

And finally there's a bunch of hooligans everywhere else doing their best to be louder than everyone else just because they saw some other idiot doing it, and AJ the riot police trying his best to keep people in line.






The progression of this thread itself is more indicative of the problems with the site than any of the staff lmfao

I'm done.

[_Zenith_]

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I have nothing against staff, yes I can get irritated by some staff decisions but who doesn't?

I still have the concern as I did in my first post, I am still trying to keep this thread serious in the topic. It's not my fault you took my posts offensively when they are legitimate thought points.

[blanky!]

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You may have ample free time to work on FFR now, but suddenly you get a different job. Have to move. Get a girlfriend. Start taking classes. Get sick.
You still contribute when you can but suddenly now you're the "lazy staff" and so you're worthless and should just be thrown out for someone else, right?
That's a revolving door where people are kicked just as soon as their contribution starts to bear fruit.

If these are the problems, then maybe open-source really is the way to go instead of money/ads.
Anyone can easily join and leave, and functionalities can be quickly added like Fission said.
Lots of people on this forum would have great ideas for additions to the game...

[Charu]

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The progression of this thread itself is more indicative of the problems with the site than any of the staff lmfao

I'm done.

Yooooo, don't be like that.

I like being crazy!

Still, that open source idea though is pretty good. I recall someone once asking that too a long while ago. Maybe it was Fission again? lol

I don't know, someone said make this open sourced and someone said no... or something.

...Don't take it from me though, I don't wanna start rumor making!

[Charu]

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Wasn't it so much worse when Tass was around though?

...I feel lucky to be active in 2012 since I heard before the site crashed he kind of ran the forums pretty strict.

[Fission]

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Still, that open source idea though is pretty good. I recall someone once asking that too a long while ago. Maybe it was Fission again? lol

I did, but I didn't really press the issue. I hate to be that guy, but I kinda saw this situation coming which is why I mentioned it previously.

I don't know, someone said make this open sourced and someone said no... or something.

Velocity and I discussed it in a thread where he said no, don't recall which one anymore.

[Charu]

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Wasn't it so much worse when Tass was around though?

...I feel lucky to be active in 2012 since I heard before the site crashed he kind of ran the forums pretty strict.

This was in response to Mahou's deleted post that was just here.

[_Zenith_]

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Any posts from here on out deserve to be removed if it doesn't talk about the main topic that this thread was meant for. It's a serious discussion that we all need to take seriously.

[lurker]

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ok