Should we consider double setup "legit"

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  • gold stinger
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    FFR Music Producer
    • Jan 2007
    • 6428

    #46
    Re: Should we consider double setup "legit"

    at this point in time I would like to say that I used Double Key Setup to get my vROFL score and if a mod happens to see this I would greatly appreciate it if the score could be removed thanks
    Originally posted by YoshL
    butts.


    - Tosh 2014






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    • gold stinger
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      • Jan 2007
      • 6428

      #47
      Re: Should we consider double setup "legit"

      I'm a naughty boy
      Originally posted by YoshL
      butts.


      - Tosh 2014






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      • hi19hi19
        lol happy
        FFR Simfile Author
        • Oct 2005
        • 12194

        #48
        Re: Should we consider double setup "legit"

        Icy, nobody is stopping you from playing double setup.

        What we're reacting to is the fact you want to compare them to single setup scores as if you're doing nothing different.
        I'm sure people would be fine (certainly, I would) if you posted DS scores and specifically said you were playing DS in them.
        But leaving out that qualifier would make people mad, yes.
        Last edited by hi19hi19; 12-28-2014, 01:30 AM.


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        • Zon Fire
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          • Nov 2006
          • 1082

          #49
          Re: Should we consider double setup "legit"

          Crowdpleaser

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          • Sidek
            FFR Player
            • Nov 2010
            • 777

            #50
            Re: Should we consider double setup "legit"

            double bs setup.

            Bye.

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            • Juggalo702
              FFR Veteran
              • Feb 2013
              • 46

              #51
              Re: Should we consider double setup "legit"

              You shoulda made a button for a "Hell No" vote.

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              • mrpreggers
                D7 Elite Keymasher
                • Feb 2011
                • 3393

                #52
                Re: Should we consider double setup "legit"

                Originally posted by gold stinger
                Yes, that's why this thread was made, to appeal the possibilities of having said rule removed.
                no it's too big you dongus so is yours and a lot of others edit your sigs why do mine get taken down for being a few pixels too big H U H

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                • Dynam0
                  The Dominator
                  • Sep 2005
                  • 8987

                  #53
                  Re: Should we consider double setup "legit"

                  1) Scores would have to be qualified as DS because I really can't imagine a world where 4-finger spread is the less-dominant play-style..so the "legit" factor is comparable to prefacing your scoreposts with "these were on J1 L1 settings and 0.6x rate".

                  2) Too hard to master. Only reasonably effective for specific pattern types akin to two handed tapping in Guitar Hero.

                  3) I will allow it if someone manages to AA Yanah's Crash using this style

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                  • TheSaxRunner05
                    The Doctor
                    • Apr 2006
                    • 6144

                    #54
                    Re: Should we consider double setup "legit"

                    I have read the entire thread and decided to vote no.

                    I relate it to bowling. Imagine if you could throw two balls at once! It would be hard to master, but once people did, scores would be better because they've mastered a much harder skill and deserve better scores!


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                    • rushyrulz
                      Digital Dancing!
                      FFR Simfile Author
                      FFR Music Producer
                      • Feb 2006
                      • 12985

                      #55
                      Re: Should we consider double setup "legit"

                      Originally posted by gold stinger
                      using double setup also becomes a hardware issue because it requires you to use an outside program to rebind keys on your keyboard to the first set of 4 keys for playing. On top of that, keyboards for sure cannot handle 8 keys being pressed all at the same time, which would require a person to use 2 keyboards to participate in the 8 key setup properly.
                      Not necessarily true. You can use numpad directionals to register on top of your keybinds.


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                      • andy-o24
                        Married Man
                        • May 2006
                        • 1525

                        #56
                        Re: Should we consider double setup "legit"

                        If you really want double setup to be something that has competition, put it on another engine with files charted in a way that suggest double setup is the proper way to approach it. Just like files in FFR have had a clear indicator whether it was made for spread or whether it was made for index, the files on this engine would have to indicate double setup is the intended play style. There is no reason to try and legitimize a setup that is only beneficial for dumpy files and then allow a flood of those dumps into the game for people who don't want to master the technique to suffer through.

                        Feel free to use it if you want, but clarify that it's a double setup score. If you really want this to go somewhere, make a specialized engine.

                        -o24
                        Originally posted by hi19hi19
                        Best strat: enjoy the game, play what you feel like when you feel like it. Don't think about what you are doing or why, enjoy the gameplay, the artistry behind the stepfile, and enjoy the music.

                        When the game isn't fun for you anymore, take a break. It's not a job, nobody here is professional and getting paid to play and force themselves to constantly improve... it's a game.

                        Originally posted by Shashakiro
                        Yeah, FFR is addicting...I don't think I'll get bored with this game unless I somehow become the best at it, which won't happen.

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                        • Tyson ultima
                          Autismspeaks.gov
                          • Nov 2006
                          • 1421

                          #57
                          Re: Should we consider double setup "legit"

                          The game was originally meant to be played with arrow keys just sayin'

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                          • choof
                            Banned
                            FFR Simfile Author
                            • Nov 2013
                            • 8563

                            #58
                            Re: Should we consider double setup "legit"

                            Originally posted by icontrolyourworld
                            That's completely different from YOU playing with 4 fingers and YOU playing with 8 fingers, or 2, or 3 or 1. We've changed this mentality in the past. It's not cheating to to play on a keyboard compared to pad because it's still YOU playing.
                            keyboard mentality, for ffr specifically, will never go beyond "4 fingers, 4 keys"
                            double setup will almost assuredly never be taken seriously; index and one-handed scores are barely taken seriously nowadays unless they're from unbelievably good players (etienne, bynary, etc), and generally those scores would be insane even on spread

                            a huge part of it would be pattern manipulation. any jack that's beyond your skill with 4k spread would be trivialized with a double setup: it turns the jack into a trill, two totally different patterns.

                            let's also take into consideration how much double setup would segregate the community further. someone brought up this idea, but also look at it from a new player standpoint.

                            I would also argue that encouraging double setup, along with making files that cater to the playstyle, would have new simfile artists totally skipping over fundamentals and shitting out even worse files. this already happens now, with a playstyle that's been the norm for 10 years.


                            and lastly, double setup, when abbreviated, is "ds." darkshark was also known as "ds." you see where I'm going here.

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                            • choof
                              Banned
                              FFR Simfile Author
                              • Nov 2013
                              • 8563

                              #59
                              Re: Should we consider double setup "legit"

                              Originally posted by Tyson ultima
                              The game was originally meant to be played with arrow keys just sayin'
                              ya, too bad playing on arrow keys limits your ability based on factors that are out of your control

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                              • lurker
                                ur worst nitemare
                                FFR Simfile Author
                                • Jan 2003
                                • 1628

                                #60
                                Re: Should we consider double setup "legit"

                                well mayb if we did what that guy on trihex's stream and that dude who joined ffr 2 months ago said and only make files that are doable on pad we wouldn't be dealing with this bullshit!!!!!!
                                Last edited by lurker; 12-28-2014, 04:03 PM.
                                some feathery f**k

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