Should we consider double setup "legit"

[icontrolyourworld]

Re: Should we consider double setup "legit"

I'm going to use 4 keys for one arrow so I can do those jacky files.

I'm going to play a trill file as if I'm rolling.

This is easier said than done, I would like to see you obtain competitive scores so easily, instead of just mocking a playstyle. AND i'm not saying find 1 song that meets this criteria I mean actually compete with some of your own good scores.

[hi19hi19]

Re: Should we consider double setup "legit"

If you want to write a program/bot that AAA's 9999nps songs good on ya, we can draw the line at bots. Keep it out of ffr, there's no competition there.
But why take away from someone that is actually trying to have fun and improve their real skill?

See, you made my argument for me. There's no competition between single and double setup. They're completely different- just like botting vs. not botting.
It's like saying "but I'm having fun and improving my real skill at writing macros" - which is fine, but you're playing a completely different game there.

Why? Because stepfiles have been historically made with single setup in mind. If you are doing something other than what the community intends, there's no competition.

If you want to play double setup, go ahead. In fact, I really encourage you to make DS-specific files.

But the community is going to treat it as a different game, because it's so fundamentally different from what everyone else has defined as acceptable, and there's no competition if you're suddenly allowed to break a foundational rule like one input -> one arrow on files where that was the intent for over 10 years.
And, being so different, the rules for official FFR scoring aren't going to change. FFR has remained single setup and it's too late to change that- but not too late, perhaps, for you to make your own game that is DS-centric.

[MinaciousGrace]

Re: Should we consider double setup "legit"

if people want to play 8button 4key and get better at it then that's up to them but if we are defining "legit" as "an accepted playstyle whose scores are directly comparable with other scores obtained through other playstyle methods" then this will never happen

there is simply too large a differential between spread/4key potential, far beyond the differential between index/spread, even if the analogous progression is justified

not to mention that "legit" is community driven more than anything else, even if site admins came out and said "double setup is now officially a supported playstyle" players themselves would disregard any notable scores obtained in such way and ds players would be de facto segregated into comparing their scores with each other

anyway for all we know there are hundreds of double setup players already playing on ffr they just all suck dick

[gold stinger]

Re: Should we consider double setup "legit"

charu ya fucking postwhore

[MinaciousGrace]

Re: Should we consider double setup "legit"

also, relevant

[Charu]

Re: Should we consider double setup "legit"

I'm not getting the context, HELP ME MINA HELP ME!!!

[gold stinger]

Re: Should we consider double setup "legit"

This thread can now no longer be taken seriously.

[icontrolyourworld]

Re: Should we consider double setup "legit"

See, you made my argument for me. There's no competition between single and double setup. They're completely different- just like botting vs. not botting.
It's like saying "but I'm having fun and improving my real skill at writing macros" - which is fine, but you're playing a completely different game there.

Why? Because stepfiles have been historically made with single setup in mind. If you are doing something other than what the community intends, there's no competition.

If you want to play double setup, go ahead. In fact, I really encourage you to make DS-specific files.

But the community is going to treat it as a different game, because it's so fundamentally different from what everyone else has defined as acceptable, and there's no competition if you're suddenly allowed to break a foundational rule like one input -> one arrow on files where that was the intent for over 10 years.

I didn't make your argument for you. There's YOU playing, and A BOT playing. That's completely different from YOU playing with 4 fingers and YOU playing with 8 fingers, or 2, or 3 or 1. We've changed this mentality in the past. It's not cheating to to play on a keyboard compared to pad because it's still YOU playing.

I wouldn't know where to begin with making DS-specific files. But maybe people can have fun playing what is already out there in terms of building skill. Because once again, and I'll say this again and again, because there are people that use DS as their main playstyle whether they are good or bad players.
Why take away from someone that is actually trying to have fun and improve their real skill? Why tell someone they can't have fun simply because we arbitrarily decide that double setup is cheating. Why limit the capabilities of everyone simply based on tradition when in the past we've broken tradition to have fun?

I have yet been thoroughly convinced as to why we should continue treating DS as cheating.

Here's a point no one is trying to argue against:
If you've ever tried DS I'm sure you've only used it for Jackhammers (@everyone), it would be VERY hard to learn and master legitly, although admittedly it opens the possibility of raising the bar so to speak. But if it's SO HARD to learn and master, why consider it cheating at all?
We can treat it as it's own playstyle JUST LIKE we treat spread, index, and one hand.

[gold stinger]

Re: Should we consider double setup "legit"

Double Edit: Also Corn's sig breaks site rules.

if you try to reverse image search icyworld's avatar it's actually more NSFW than the original cropped version of that morrigan render I used.

[Epicman9001]

Re: Should we consider double setup "legit"

Who cares? It's still skill double penetrating keyboards. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

(you know what i mean)

[icontrolyourworld]

Re: Should we consider double setup "legit"

if people want to play 8button 4key and get better at it then that's up to them but if we are defining "legit" as "an accepted playstyle whose scores are directly comparable with other scores obtained through other playstyle methods" then this will never happen

there is simply too large a differential between spread/4key potential, far beyond the differential between index/spread, even if the analogous progression is justified

not to mention that "legit" is community driven more than anything else, even if site admins came out and said "double setup is now officially a supported playstyle" players themselves would disregard any notable scores obtained in such way and ds players would be de facto segregated into comparing their scores with each other

anyway for all we know there are hundreds of double setup players already playing on ffr they just all suck dick

If we just include DS as an acceptable playstyle it probably wouldn't mean anything substantial to the community you're right there. And there probably are plenty of DS players out there that suck. But I really don't see someone coming out of nowhere though and saying here's a DS AAA on rato. If we allowed it I'm sure people could appreciate the progression that player is going through. But then again we're both speaking for the community. In reality there would be mixed feelings about DS scores, but IMO if they're really opting for that playstyle and show progression using it, that would be pretty cool. If they eventually top the leader boards they probably deserve it.

[gold stinger]

Re: Should we consider double setup "legit"

Just going to throw it out there since it hasn't been talked about:

Double Setup on FFR means that there will be FC's everywhere on vROFL.

It also means people are going to use vROFL to whore grandtotal scores

in return means that pretty much the entire FFR ranking system is fucked. Grandtotal ranks won't mean anything anymore, because people could just bind all 4 keys to 1 button for 4 buttons and just roll through the entire song.

[icontrolyourworld]

Re: Should we consider double setup "legit"

Just going to throw it out there since it hasn't been talked about:

Double Setup on FFR means that there will be FC's everywhere on vROFL.

It also means people are going to use vROFL to whore grandtotal scores

in return means that pretty much the entire FFR ranking system is fucked. Grandtotal ranks won't mean anything anymore.

OK probably not very many people have vrofl to begin with, so this wouldn't be THAT relevant of a problem. If however those people wanted to spend all their time playing it for GT/credits, let them be. Everyone else would technically have the option to do so as well. It would come down to whoever wanted to whore the most which people are always going to do on any video game ever.


wish I could change peoples minds, but oh well
I got the answer I wanted
majority say no
and i expected that

hopefully i've given a convincing case for DS to be a thing to some people

[lurker]

Re: Should we consider double setup "legit"

this just seems like something that's stupid to make arguments about either for or against
either way you're still mouthing off about a game a triple digit number of people play

i for one am against double setup because allowing it would openly enforce the patriarchy due to women having smaller hands on average than men, meaning that they would have a harder time taking full advantage of the benefits
see? that really doesn't sound any more or less reasonable than any other post in this thread

[icontrolyourworld]

Re: Should we consider double setup "legit"

ok lurker
you win the thread