Why aren't rates above 1.0 counting for scores?

[mi40]

Re: Why aren't rates above 1.0 counting for scores?

UHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

no

clearly u dont get how this works

if somebody can't AAA a wall on 1.0 like skeletor/DIS then they clearly don't have enough speed for it

chances are on rates like 1.1 and 1.2 it's going to get even faster (doesn't matter if framers are 'fixed') and that'll create worse scores

and btw stifling development of additional features just because of one or two songs' levelranks (which aren't even that big of an issue) is just downright stupid

[Kibblre]

Re: Why aren't rates above 1.0 counting for scores?

Has anyone tried Within Life on rates, btw?

If you're hinting at the rolls in Within Life, yeah they're super easy on rates just can you can jump trill them. At 1.5 even the opening slow rolls can be jump trilled.

[PaperclipGames]

Re: Why aren't rates above 1.0 counting for scores?

clearly u dont get how this works

if somebody can't AAA a wall on 1.0 like skeletor/DIS then they clearly don't have enough speed for it

chances are on rates like 1.1 and 1.2 it's going to get even faster (doesn't matter if framers are 'fixed') and that'll create worse scores

and btw stifling development of additional features just because of one or two songs' levelranks (which aren't even that big of an issue) is just downright stupid

Point out where I was speaking about Skeletor. I know fuck all about Skeletor. My point is that I'm pretty sure that rates changes frames, and thus may fix framers or create any - in general.

[mi40]

Re: Why aren't rates above 1.0 counting for scores?

If you're hinting at the rolls in Within Life, yeah they're super easy on rates just can you can jump trill them. At 1.5 even the opening slow rolls can be jump trilled.

some of the 23 123 123 4 321 321 patterns on 1.5 get really hard though lmfao

[mi40]

Re: Why aren't rates above 1.0 counting for scores?

Point out where I was speaking about Skeletor. I know fuck all about Skeletor. My point is that I'm pretty sure that rates changes frames, and thus may fix framers or create any - in general.

yeah what im saying is this speculation of 'fixed framers' isn't a valid argument against higher rates recording, save for <3 songs on rates probably higher than 1.2, and even those songs should not prevent higher rates from recording

[Kibblre]

Re: Why aren't rates above 1.0 counting for scores?

some of the 23 123 123 4 321 321 patterns on 1.5 get really hard though lmfao

Yeah, I put it on 1.5 just to see how easy the rolls are but like you said those patterns are pretty hard. Doesn't seem that bad on 1.2 though.

[foxfire667]

Re: Why aren't rates above 1.0 counting for scores?

and btw stifling development of additional features just because of one or two songs' levelranks (which aren't even that big of an issue) is just downright stupid

Pretty much. The worst possible scenario I could foresee is perhaps one or two people luck out and fix a Skeletor BF or something, and I imagine even that is a bit of an exaggeration. Going to play a few songs people are bring up on rates so I can see if the trade off actually turns out in favor of the player:

These are just rate scores on the fly, and obviously aren't absolute proof or anything. I just wanted to see if I could get any scoring benefits overall, from playing some files on various rates.

Skeletor

This is Skeletor normally:


This is Skeletor on 1.3x rate:


The JS becomes ridiculously fast, and I would be pretty satisfied with myself getting into the wall with a mid SDG. I would definitely NOT use rates on Skeletor to pull the AAA on it, as it is too difficult to get to the wall with an AAA unless you have the speed for it. The reason why I chose 1.3x to post is because the wall on 1.1x / 1.2x for me felt more awkward to hit, and I really couldn't get it down even after several isolation attempts.

Here is the Skeletor wall normally.


Here is the wall on 1.3x rate.


Both of these walls to me pretty much felt like a luck fest, and it was only after several attempts and jumping around between the rates that I actually pulled the AAA's off in the first place. I will say that 1.3 has more reliable jump-trilling, but compared to the rest of the file it really isn't worth it.

Within life:
It was argued at 1.5 the rolls could be jump-trilled. Though within life at 1.5x rate does create some new jump-trilling possibilities, holy crap the rest of the file.

I have a AAA on it normally, and here is 1.5x rate:


My goodness, the jacks, the transitions, and pretty much everything about this file becomes really tough to keep PA at 1.5x. If you haven't AAA'd at 1x, you aren't touching 1.5x, ever.

[DossarLX ODI]

Re: Why aren't rates above 1.0 counting for scores?

If the idea is to have rates count towards normal rate levelranks, that should be further discussed with someone in power that is editing the engines (e.g. Velocity or arcnmx)

I have no problems with higher rates being recorded. Worse scores don't overwrite someone's previous best anyways unless there's a glitch I don't know of.

[mi40]

Re: Why aren't rates above 1.0 counting for scores?

hooray someone go bring this up or thread to velocity or arcmnx

[HalfStep]

Re: Why aren't rates above 1.0 counting for scores?


Made an image for people that don't know how rates affect frames (they dont)
note: Pure Ruby ending rolls on 2.75x speedmod

[Zapmeister]

Re: Why aren't rates above 1.0 counting for scores?

ffr on rates uses millisecond timing, not frame timing. i found that in a post somewhere. will edit this post when i find the link to it

edit: found it here and a few posts before it in that thread

[YoshL]

Re: Why aren't rates above 1.0 counting for scores?

Point out where I was speaking about Skeletor. I know fuck all about Skeletor. My point is that I'm pretty sure that rates changes frames, and thus may fix framers or create any - in general.

argument invalidated by previous 2 posts

also, 100% yes to what ji said. hindering forward progress towards fun ffr because a couple songs. Plus, all of the people actually putting the argument against to the test are proving that it really holds no ground almost

[Fission]

Re: Why aren't rates above 1.0 counting for scores?

i want to see what one of the game managers thinks because other than a possible few files, everything is more difficult on higher rates.

semi-related: why not record scores on frame rates above 30?

[HalfStep]

Re: Why aren't rates above 1.0 counting for scores?

semi-related: why not record scores on frame rates above 30?

They do record.

[Choofers]

Re: Why aren't rates above 1.0 counting for scores?

i want to see what one of the game managers thinks because other than a possible few files, everything is more difficult on higher rates.

semi-related: why not record scores on frame rates above 30?

wat

60 fps records score for me