Why aren't rates above 1.0 counting for scores?

[popsicle_3000]

Re: Why aren't rates above 1.0 counting for scores?

yes halogen.

it's not that complicated, in order to play the song in a different way and have it record, must have played through once normally. what's the big deal w/ that??

and if someone else brings up this whole "well boredom isn't a skill"...... WTF??!?!?!!
you want to work on level ranks? then be prepared to play the song normally first!!! gosh...

you can still have fun on ffr without clearing level ranks. if you don't want to put in the time to play easy songs, then tough cookies. I've spent hours and hours working through level ranks, playing SSSG over and over, playing... anyways,

if you're a high ranked player, and want to get to ave rank 1, then be prepared to grind it out.
I've seen a few people now like hakulyte and godnick who've reset their level ranks and then go through and re-aaa everything. it's not the worst thing.
i'm tired of people wanting shortcuts to being lazy with the game.

people like eze and leonid who haven't played through all the songs, it doesn't make them any less good. they are among the top, and we know that cuz of their scores on hard songs.

you don't see doss complaining now do you about having to aaa all the easy songs since he's been inactive for the last 8 months or so...

[i love you]

Re: Why aren't rates above 1.0 counting for scores?

I think I am pretty much in the middle of both arguments.

While I do agree with AJ about people taking advantage of rates on easy files, I also have to agree with foxfire that players should be encouraged to play the game...

Honestly, after looking through this thread several times, I do not know who to agree with. Basically, if we can not get most of the community to agree with one side of the debate along with whoever is higher in power then arcnmx, this thread will probably go no where.

[EzExZeRo7497]

Re: Why aren't rates above 1.0 counting for scores?

EDIT: also: @ Eze -- the difference between avmiss and this is that avmiss affected the overall gaming mechanic as a rhythm game - rate mods don't detrimentally affect anything involving the game itself.

I'm aware of that, avmiss is probably a bad example to begin with since although it does force players to hit some parts of the file in a different way (aka making it harder), it is a flaw in the gaming mechanics in itself. Sorry about that. Yeah, I agree that the argument can't really be resolved to begin with since both sides of the argument can be backed up with objective evidence/reasoning but it's also a subjective thing in that which side of the argument has more weightage.

On another note, I probably wouldn't be playing all of the long easy songs either way, since I really have no interest in fixing my levelranks at all. Sorry Pop

[Hakulyte]

Re: Why aren't rates above 1.0 counting for scores?

It should be left to 1.0x because people could use rates to sandbag their own levelranks for tournaments.
Not even going to bother about grandtotal farming because it's debatable but it's not changing that faster farming become possible.

[TC_Halogen]

Re: Why aren't rates above 1.0 counting for scores?

It should be left to 1.0x because people could use rates to sandbag their own levelranks for tournaments.
Not even going to bother about grandtotal farming because it's debatable but it's not changing that faster farming become possible.

- holy shit at the bolded point, NEVER would have thought of that
- the second point is arguable - it comes with a tradeoff with not having a particularly good choice in files to consistently GTS boost because those densely layered files start to kill you pretty fast, haha

[Choofers]

Re: Why aren't rates above 1.0 counting for scores?

Just have arc flip a coin

heads, rates count
tails, rates don't count

[HalfStep]

Re: Why aren't rates above 1.0 counting for scores?

- holy shit at the bolded point, NEVER would have thought of that

There's many many many ways to sandbag a tournament, if someone so desires. Rates won't prevent or enable people to do that either way.

[Hakulyte]

Re: Why aren't rates above 1.0 counting for scores?

My point is that you can play at your best while conserving horrible scores which wasn't possible before.

[Choofers]

Re: Why aren't rates above 1.0 counting for scores?

Rates would just make it a lot easier to sandbag.

Maybe rates showing on levelranks would be a good idea then, but as a flag showing that the current score was done with rates, without showing what the actual rate was.

[TC_Halogen]

Re: Why aren't rates above 1.0 counting for scores?

Just have arc flip a coin

heads, rates count
tails, rates don't count

(y)

honestly, you really could fight both ways pretty strongly -- it might as well just be a coin-toss. The most feasible solution requires a lot of data storage, and that would of course be a separate leaderboard that in no way affects public ranks... this way, people would have to still play their files on 1.0 rate for rank improvement, but could also put their names up on leaderboards for accomplishments of higher rates, haha.

There's many many many ways to sandbag a tournament, if someone so desires. Rates won't prevent or enable people to do that either way.

You are correct - it certainly doesn't prevent or enable people. It does make it easier to do in a faster period, but that's about it. It's still something I never would have even considered, though.

[HalfStep]

Re: Why aren't rates above 1.0 counting for scores?

My point is that you can play at your best while conserving horrible scores which wasn't possible before.

Just play with no background mod. Now no scores record and you can play at your best. Or with Judge Window that doesn't actually change Judge Windows. Or play without logging in.

[Hakulyte]

Re: Why aren't rates above 1.0 counting for scores?

Cool examples, but irrelevant since they don't record to begin with. :'(

[HalfStep]

Re: Why aren't rates above 1.0 counting for scores?

Cool examples, but irrelevant since they don't record to begin with. :'(

Exactly. Now you can skillboost with no one noticing and keep all your shitty scores in your levelranks.

[foxfire667]

Re: Why aren't rates above 1.0 counting for scores?

honestly, you really could fight both ways pretty strongly -- it might as well just be a coin-toss. The most feasible solution requires a lot of data storage, and that would of course be a separate leaderboard that in no way affects public ranks... this way, people would have to still play their files on 1.0 rate for rank improvement, but could also put their names up on leaderboards for accomplishments of higher rates, haha.

Just going to say that although I agree having a rates leader-board would be pretty awesome, I'm not exactly sure how it should be done. If we were to have a new board for every rate (the only way I can imagine scores being compared objectively that aren't AAA's) it could lead to a large number of pretty dead or unused score pages (by someone playing a file on a bunch of crazy rates that people probably won't repeat, or if we are locked into .1x multiples, really high rates to ensure 1st place on a new board. If we only looked at AAA scores, it would take away the ability to compete well with harder files. How would we reach some sort of ideal when talking about something like this?

Also, no matter what happens with this whole rates thing, can we at least all agree that rates should give GTS and credits? Can we at least give some sort of reward for playing the files?

[Choofers]

Re: Why aren't rates above 1.0 counting for scores?

credits / rate