Why aren't rates above 1.0 counting for scores?

[mi40]

Re: Why aren't rates above 1.0 counting for scores?

btw most songs above difficulty 55 above 1.5 rate are like FMO/FGOs lol
and skeletor 1.1 is really hard

[TC_Halogen]

Re: Why aren't rates above 1.0 counting for scores?

I tried it -- in order to be fully effective, you'd need to play Skeletor on 1.2 (not saying that it's not possible to AAA the wall on 1.1). That requires you to do 228 BPM 16th jumpstreaming, which probably isn't the most plausible for a lot of people.

[~Zeta~]

Re: Why aren't rates above 1.0 counting for scores?

The only file people talk about rates making a file easier is skeletor. Just because the wall gets easier since it hasn't been frame-fixed doesn't make it any less of a feat to AAA on 1.1 or 1.2 compared to 1.0. You either got stupid lucky or have the speed for 1.0. For 1.1 or 1.2, it removes luck and it's all skill from there, really.

But that's just for skeletor. Master Maid could also be made easier but that still vamps the difficulty of streams/jumpstream way up as well.

[xVaLoRx]

Re: Why aren't rates above 1.0 counting for scores?

rates on ffr

wow good one man hahahahaaha

[mi40]

Re: Why aren't rates above 1.0 counting for scores?

this topic was p. hot like 2 weeks ago in a diff thread

admins plis.....................

[One Winged Angel]

Re: Why aren't rates above 1.0 counting for scores?

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I don't mind if they're added (or not) anymore. If it makes the game more enjoyable, why not I guess...

...p.s. Skeletor's mad easy on 1.1-1.3 just sayin'

[Choofers]

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I would play so much more FFR if rates counted towards level ranks, holy shit

I mean I'm having fun playing on the R^3 engine as it is but rates would be da icing on the cake.

[Choofers]

Re: Why aren't rates above 1.0 counting for scores?

i see arcnmx viewing the thread, and coincidentally I can't connect to r^3

what is habbending ????

edit: nevermind I'm dumb

[benguino]

Re: Why aren't rates above 1.0 counting for scores?

From what I know, rates are still something new. The algorithm I'm assuming has a lot of rounding and truncating which could cause changes in frames and such. So perhaps even a change from 1.0x rate to 1.00001 rate could cause significant changes in frame placements, I don't know. I'm sure arc just wants to do some more analysis and testing before rates record.

[YoshL]

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simple solution has been offered. only allow rates to record on .x intervals, i.e. 1.1, 1.2, 1.3 etc.

[mi40]

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I don't mind if they're added (or not) anymore. If it makes the game more enjoyable, why not I guess...

...p.s. Skeletor's mad easy on 1.1-1.3 just sayin'

i thot u were for da peeple

[Doug31]

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I really think they should count. New players coming in have far too much catching up to do on easy songs even if they're more than good enough to AAA all of them. And that amount of time is just going to keep increasing. And it making some files easier isn't really all that big of a problem. Everyone can make a file easier if it's easier at a faster rate. And it'd make the game more fun in that you can play the easier files harder and still get something for it. I think the benefits easily outweigh the drawbacks with this.

[DossarLX ODI]

Re: Why aren't rates above 1.0 counting for scores?

What is this thread actually asking? If it's about saving score tables for every possible rate, the site does not have nearly enough facilities for it.

[6/7/2013 11:26:42 PM] arcnmx: It's certainly possible, the problem is more about what to do with the data. How to display it, presumably people would want leaderboards but you can't just have a different one for every possible rate.
[6/7/2013 11:27:48 PM] arcnmx: Perhaps have scores scale by the rate used and order by that...
[6/7/2013 11:28:42 PM] arcnmx: So a AAA on 1.2 is worth 1.2x the score of one on 1.0, I guess that could work. Would have to pitch the idea to the community...
[6/7/2013 11:29:33 PM] Dossar: Input is always nice
[6/7/2013 11:31:43 PM] arcnmx: It's tricky because the rate would essentially have to be factored into the score, but in such a way that doesn't really cause issues.
[6/7/2013 11:32:52 PM] arcnmx: If someone saves a AAA on 1.2, then gets like 6g on 1.3, should it be overwritten? If so or not, at what threshold does the rate scale scores?
[6/7/2013 11:33:52 PM] arcnmx: Basically I could see it causing the same problems as combo scoring does, where FCs overwrite much "better" scores just because of how they're calculated.

My AAA on Seven 2.0 "doesn't count" because a new table would need to be made for that rate. I might not be understanding what the OP is saying.

[mi40]

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@doss: it's not about saving scores for every single rate, it's just having AAA's and better scores on higher rates count in normal levelranks (ex. 1g on 1.2 overriding 5g on 1.0 - which is probably an extremely case anyways)

here's my take on scoring in general

any score that's better overrides the previous

Player 1 gets a mashed FC on 1.0 then forgets about the song
He later gets better and gets 5g on 1.3
Sometime later he AAA's the file on 1.0
Counted score in levelrank: AAA

the gist of this idea is that most people won't try higher rates unless they are confident that they can handle it

if they can't handle higher rates, they will most likely not get a higher score than 1.0 so score overrides shouldn't really be a problem

if somebody has 5g on an FMO and hasn't been improving, it is unlikely that the player will get better than 5g on higher rates, and most people wouldn't want AAA's to be overriden by higher rates in levelranks

basically the system would reward people for getting UP TO an AAA on higher rates

[Choofers]

Re: Why aren't rates above 1.0 counting for scores?

exactly

an AAA on 1.3 and an AAA on 1.0 should look the same in level ranks, with no indication of what rate that AAA was achieved on

bragging about/comparing rate scores should be done within the brag boards, imo