How does anyone do jumpsteps?

[justin_ator]

Re: How does anyone do jumpsteps?

Where is this FFR picture dictionary? I must be overlooking it lol.

http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/vbz/showthread.php?t=115282

[bmah]

Re: How does anyone do jumpsteps?

Keep playing Etude to a Dragon over and over again or a jumpstream song of similar difficulty.

You won't get far if you play over and over again and still fail to recognize basic jumpstream patterns.

[KaBlammo]

Re: How does anyone do jumpsteps?

What speedmod and key/hand setup do you normally use?

I'm using 1.5 speed on most songs at the moment.
I play spread on D, F, J and K

[ilikexd]

Re: How does anyone do jumpsteps?

You won't get far if you play over and over again and still fail to recognize basic jumpstream patterns.

You learn to recognize basic jumpstream patterns if you play over and over again.

I'm not very familiar with lower level FFR files, so I can't name any specific recommendation for a slightly easier song, but judging by the fact that you at least partially hit the js in that song, it can't be terrible to use it as a learning file.

[KaBlammo]

Re: How does anyone do jumpsteps?

Looking at your replay data, it appears that you go pretty spastic when the jumpstream arrives. During that part, not only do a lot of hits appear to be late, but some of it appears to be educated mashing. From that I'm going to guess that you have to familiarize yourself with jumpstream patterns a lot more. It helps by watching a replay, because you can't think about it very much while playing. So before you dive into another song, take the time to analyze a replay of it. Pause the replay and inspect sections of the song that give you trouble.

Well what I've been doing is not trying to get every note hit, and instead locking onto a part of the stream and attempting it without letting too much of it skip past. It helps me hit more of the jumps but obviously the end goal is to hit all of them.

[justin_ator]

Re: How does anyone do jumpsteps?

I'm using 1.5 speed on most songs at the moment.
I play spread on D, F, J and K

Good to hear you're doing spread, that's a huge step towards being able to do jumpstream. One hand makes js pretty tough.

[KaBlammo]

Re: How does anyone do jumpsteps?

Good to hear you're doing spread, that's a huge step towards being able to do jumpstream. One hand makes js pretty tough.

Yeah i abandoned 1 handed long ago. Way too difficult for me.

[KaBlammo]

Re: How does anyone do jumpsteps?

Man it seems like I'm not having any luck with jump streaming. :\ The picture dictionary only said stuff that I already knew, definitions and such. Is there an in-depth guide to just jumpstreams or something?

[ilikexd]

Re: How does anyone do jumpsteps?

There are some techniques to hitting certain patterns that can be verbally described, such as with jacks you move your wrist up and down, placing the thumb on the index/middle finger for support.
I don't think it's that easy for jumpstream. Focus hard on the placement of each of the jumps, since the streams themselves will be already in your muscle memory (from what I could see in the replay). Improvement comes from repetition and it might come slowly. If you really don't feel anything from playing Etude to a Dragon, try looking for a slightly easier jumpstream song.

[KaBlammo]

Re: How does anyone do jumpsteps?

There are some techniques to hitting certain patterns that can be verbally described, such as with jacks you move your wrist up and down, placing the thumb on the index/middle finger for support.
I don't think it's that easy for jumpstream. Focus hard on the placement of each of the jumps, since the streams themselves will be already in your muscle memory (from what I could see in the replay). Improvement comes from repetition and it might come slowly. If you really don't feel anything from playing Etude to a Dragon, try looking for a slightly easier jumpstream song.

I found a low level jumpstream song suggested on an old thread that I feel better about. It's doable while not easy.
http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...replay/201057/
There's my replay. Do you know any other songs at about this difficulty level of jump stream? I think that's what I need to practice on.

[MinaciousGrace]

Re: How does anyone do jumpsteps?

how to get good at jumpstreaming

strep 1: play lots of songs with jumpstreams

[HalfStep]

Re: How does anyone do jumpsteps?

Etude to a Dragon is a pretty good introduction to jumpstream song... you can also try Seven.

Everyone gave pretty good tips, but you mostly just gotta get used to the patterns and how to read/hit them properly.. practice practice practice!

[Patashu]

Re: How does anyone do jumpsteps?

Wow, I put jumpsteps in the title and not jump streams. :\

I thought I was pretty good at this game until I realized jumpstreams ran rampant in all the "actually difficult" songs. I've tried and tried to learn jumpstreams but I can't do it. Does anyone have any tips, or know of any songs that are good for learning and mastering jump streams?

I hit streams just fine but toss a jump or god forbid a triple/quadruple step in there and I mash my keyboard until the song fails.

Find a file that has low density, but steady jumps during stream and whore it until your hands can make the right motion for it. For Stepmania I used a Death Moon file that had a jump every measure, not sure what the best equivalent is in FFR. Also, don't expect to see immediate improvement - you will have to sleep on it at least once.

EDIT: {Frozen} might be an ok song - it's got a lot of jumps, but it's slow and the patterns are straight forward

[Reincarnate]

Re: How does anyone do jumpsteps?

Look closer to the receptors and try not to focus too much on information that doesn't matter -- alternatively, use a slightly higher speedmod.

Spastic mashing means you have a problem with reading.

[bmah]

Re: How does anyone do jumpsteps?

You learn to recognize basic jumpstream patterns if you play over and over again.

But as I said already, you can't recognize it well when you're in the midst of playing. It's better to view a replay, study the jumpstreams at your own pace, make sense of them with the song, and then finally try it out. If you want to play and learn without thorough analysis however, a slower jumpstream song or a simpler jumpstream pattern (e.g. maybe a jump at every second 4th beat) will make this a slightly less confusing endeavor.

Simply put, take things one step at a time. You'll get there soon, KaBlammo.


Once you do recognize jumpstream patterns well enough that you don't need to consistently rely on the song, and rather on visual cues, then you should really look into Reincarnate's advice of looking closer to the arrow receptors, and hitting according to what you see rather than trying to interpret the patterns. This is especially true on very fast and dense files.