Double Credits.... Should it comeback?

[psychoangel691]

Re: Double Credits.... Should it comeback?

Everyone seemed to be complaining about the inflation issue, so I thought aside from purchases I'd make a joke, while also pointing out something that would make double credits a non-factor while still appeasing the main request of the thread. In the end you COULD do exactly as the title asks, while making it irrelevant... which was the joke. People take me too seriously, I thought this was FFR

I don't see how it makes it a non factor when the credits would still be in the system since people would have to hold them to play the songs. It doesn't take anything out of the system.

[Untimely Friction]

Re: Double Credits.... Should it comeback?

Why does anything need to be taken out, if mathematically nothings changed? People would naturally enjoy having more credits, more chances to lose them all on, the gambling hall, and as mentioned before the larger pools in Tournaments which would naturally draw larger crowds... It'll take up maybe 1 more byte of data in your database per active users per decimal increased, this is obviously not a large enough hassle on the server to slow or halt it, and would in no way affect the space dollar economy, so I do not see the harm, but rather present benefits. (P.s. yes we are now having an intellectual discussion on space-bucks, please present more reasons why you feel bigger numbers are bad, it's worked for MMOs... We're just working more toward Keysmashing endgame .)

[psychoangel691]

Re: Double Credits.... Should it comeback?

When the system is flooded with credits they hold no value. Before gambling hall started removing some from the system the number was absolutely ridiculous. There are people with over a million credits they're sitting on, what good does that do anyone? How are they going to be enticed by the credit prizes offered by events when they have more than they can do anything with? Has nothing to do with the database, server, any of that. It has to do with having no value. We shouldn't have to have some super huge credit pot as a prize for events. Plus there's no reward for the credits when people have that many. What are people going to get with them when they have so many?

[Untimely Friction]

Re: Double Credits.... Should it comeback?

Then naturally incentize people to hold more, yes there were tons before and those of us holding tons asked "So why is nothing else coming?" The shop can be expanded with releases that come in, more secret songs, theres much to do that's been neglected, and all of my previous points still stand, I am not convinced to the reason more can't come in. The possibilities are huge, and noting the credit sink that is the gambling hall, as more come in, more will go out, at again the exact same rate mathematically.

[TC_Halogen]

Re: Double Credits.... Should it comeback?

It really comes down to this:

Maybe people should just play more if they want more credits.

This isn't inclusive to just the game itself, but people need to participate in more site-wide events if they want credits. In my opinion, you shouldn't be entitled to a larger sum of credits you don't even bother to work for it. Some people grind the game to get credits, and others participate in official or user-run events. Doubling the credit counts doesn't help anything -- it floods an already destroyed FFR economy because there is absolutely nothing to use the credits on. Users have to hoard credits for secret songs as it is, which is preventing any sort of true credit sink from being truly effective on its own. There are many users with millions of credits that they built up through tournament winnings, or other events, and I personally a 2x credit event shouldn't be used to circumvent hard work or good social activity on the site.

Adding a huge amount of purchased songs doesn't solve anything either because it's just more songs that aren't accessible by newer players. In order to truly create a credit sink, you have to have something that users WANT to spend their credits on, not something they need to.

[Untimely Friction]

Re: Double Credits.... Should it comeback?

It really comes down to this:


This isn't inclusive to just the game itself, but people need to participate in more site-wide events if they want credits. In my opinion, you shouldn't be entitled to a larger sum of credits you don't even bother to work for it. Some people grind the game to get credits, and others participate in official or user-run events. Doubling the credit counts doesn't help anything -- it floods an already destroyed FFR economy because there is absolutely nothing to use the credits on. Users have to hoard credits for secret songs as it is, which is preventing any sort of true credit sink from being truly effective on its own. There are many users with millions of credits that they built up through tournament winnings, or other events, and I personally a 2x credit event shouldn't be used to circumvent hard work or good social activity on the site.

I'm talking about the possibility for content expansion. Obviously that's the main goal of administration right now, and content does that. I'm obviously not talking about PERMANENT double, but perhaps the ideas people said before, random weekends or events. Regardless I'm now trying to make apparent the possibility for expansion of population, and the expansion of content. R^3 is not complete and as such theres much that can be done with it.

Adding a huge amount of purchased songs doesn't solve anything either because it's just more songs that aren't accessible by newer players. In order to truly create a credit sink, you have to have something that users WANT to spend their credits on, not something they need to.

You mean exactly as it is now? Those of us broke don't have access, and those of us with plenty are not being rewarded for it, which is very possible. Again, think of it mathematically.

[psychoangel691]

Re: Double Credits.... Should it comeback?

Then naturally incentize people to hold more, yes there were tons before and those of us holding tons asked "So why is nothing else coming?" The shop can be expanded with releases that come in, more secret songs, theres much to do that's been neglected, and all of my previous points still stand, I am not convinced to the reason more can't come in. The possibilities are huge, and noting the credit sink that is the gambling hall, as more come in, more will go out, at again the exact same rate mathematically.

The gambling hall is barely being touched anymore. It was a novelty for about a week then died. Purchased songs and secret songs do get added but not super frequently because guess what? There are newer people that join up and are then facing ridiculous credit amounts in order to gain all the songs. As is the previous credit cap of 40 was lifted, there's no reason to add double credits on top of it.

[TC_Halogen]

Re: Double Credits.... Should it comeback?

I never said permanent -- if you read my post, I clearly said "a 2x credit event". I'm against the idea in general.

Also, you can reference the state of Purchased songs now, but adding more songs doesn't help solve the problem. It requires well over 150,000 credits to obtain every secret song, on top of the 150,000 that you need to have all of the secret songs. 300,000 credits is a huge amount, and should either be a LOT of hard work, or some hard work along with some participation in sitewide events.

I really don't know how to explain it anymore explicitly than this: a 2x credit event really isn't necessary. I'd like to second Rushy's post and just say "no". There's really no point arguing about it.

[Untimely Friction]

Re: Double Credits.... Should it comeback?

The gambling hall is barely being touched anymore. It was a novelty for about a week then died. Purchased songs and secret songs do get added but not super frequently because guess what? There are newer people that join up and are then facing ridiculous credit amounts in order to gain all the songs. As is the previous credit cap of 40 was lifted, there's no reason to add double credits on top of it.

At last an answer I am satisfied with, thank you, however if you're able please touch on the other things I posted about (If you don't have time, don't but please notify me, I don't wanna eat your time, but I, and I'm sure some silent observers would like some answers, and reasoning behind the answers.)

I never said permanent -- if you read my post, I clearly said "a 2x credit event". I'm against the idea in general.

I'm sorry I was speaking more broadly and less directly in response, just to re-enforce my previous statements

Also, you can reference the state of Purchased songs now, but adding more songs doesn't help solve the problem.

Yes it will... more content, and the fact that credits are not a problem at all... I touched on the point of the lack of extra burden on the servers... Please explain more about this problem, I am curious.

[Zageron]

Re: Double Credits.... Should it comeback?

You all know that no matter how many "yes" votes this gets, double credits will not come back because you asked for them to come back.

They were a whim. Thats all.

[Untimely Friction]

Re: Double Credits.... Should it comeback?

You all know that no matter how many "yes" votes this gets, double credits will not come back because you asked for them to come back.

They were a whim. Thats all.

I understand it is out of our control, but I'm trying to speak on the possibilities of more such events, and how there could be a massive benefit to the site, and community, in case these things are not yet apparent to you, or all of the staff.

[psychoangel691]

Re: Double Credits.... Should it comeback?

At last an answer I am satisfied with, thank you, however if you're able please touch on the other things I posted about (If you don't have time, don't but please notify me, I don't wanna eat your time, but I, and I'm sure some silent observers would like some answers, and reasoning behind the answers.)

Credits are something that has been discussed time and time again. It's not like any of this is news. There's no logical reason to flood more credits into the system and up requirements of things. It may as well stay the same then. As is it's been discussed many times about turning secret songs into grandtotal based unlocks rather than credits because it really makes little sense to have people holding on to a ton of credits.

[Untimely Friction]

Re: Double Credits.... Should it comeback?

Credits are something that has been discussed time and time again. It's not like any of this is news. There's no logical reason to flood more credits into the system and up requirements of things. It may as well stay the same then. As is it's been discussed many times about turning secret songs into grandtotal based unlocks rather than credits because it really makes little sense to have people holding on to a ton of credits.

Now you see, I heard NOTHING of this grandtotal concept, that is actually fantastic! My initial post was a little less thought out, and again a joke, the permanent thing and doubling stuff is obviously silly, but I'm now getting onto the subject of new content, and how 2x credits may give people a larger head start, bringing more people in at the start to aquaint them to new content, as well as in the end just having more content in general.

[psychoangel691]

Re: Double Credits.... Should it comeback?

I understand it is out of our control, but I'm trying to speak on the possibilities of more such events, and how there could be a massive benefit to the site, and community, in case these things are not yet apparent to you, or all of the staff.

What massive benefit to the site? I don't see how flooding more credits into a system that has a ton has any benefit. I wish I could remember the exact number that are in the system right now because it's ridiculous. As per events I've been running regular events as well as my events team. All of these events offer credit prizes and some have even had participation credit prizes as well. We also do all sorts of things to cater to all different people, it's not as if they're only FFR skill related events. So there are opportunities to gain more credits frequently.

Now you see, I heard NOTHING of this grandtotal concept, that is actually fantastic! My initial post was a little less thought out, and again a joke, the permanent thing and doubling stuff is obviously silly, but I'm now getting onto the subject of new content, and how 2x credits may give people a larger head start, bringing more people in at the start to aquaint them to new content, as well as in the end just having more content in general.

It's been brought up several times. People starting out face a huge mountain to climb when it comes to credits for content as is. It doesn't make sense to end up making the credit issue worse by making the credits x2 and have the people who are up there already and play the most gaining even more credits and making us have to put up more stuff to get them out. Plus as I mentioned the 40 credit cap was lifted so that's already allowing people to gain more in a play than before.

I said in my initial post about the x2 thing that maybe I could see it happening for an event but I mean scarcely. Like maybe once a year because we have tons of events that already put credits out there.

Edit: If people were running user made events as much as they used to be I might be more interested in more credits. But as it's been there's hardly any user tournaments or anything anymore. I remember when you had to wait for approval because there were 10 running already and that was the max allowed at one time.

[Untimely Friction]

Re: Double Credits.... Should it comeback?

Well, I don't want to take up any more of your time, Thank you for answering my questions as well as you can, and I hope you all consider some of the ideas I've put forward, there is huge potential, from what I can see.

Edit: RE: Kaylas Edit

Edit: If people were running user made events as much as they used to be I might be more interested in more credits. But as it's been there's hardly any user tournaments or anything anymore. I remember when you had to wait for approval because there were 10 running already and that was the max allowed at one time.

Why host a tournament with credits as a prize when no one has anything left to spend credits on?

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I'm done now ._.