hi19hi19's Delicious Custom Theme Tournament

[qqwref]

Re: hi19hi19's Delicious Custom Theme Tournament

Calculated some tournament points.

D5C:
- plan_b: 5814
- bballa: 5668
- ymia: 5407
- ninty: 5360
- icyworld: 5232
- justin: 4621

d5c:
- tidus: 6700
- elite ninja: 5779
- findarian: 5770
- hi19: 5643
- flipsta: 4997

d4a:
- sanzath: 6539
- qqwref: 5111
- megamon: 5109
- MrPreggers: 5104
- sticklydude: 4995
- wc: 4045
- (Poison-: 4080, plus two missing rounds)

Note that these are all subject to change as the round goes on - plus, my counting may differ from hi19's. For instance, if the top two people were tied, I gave 1000/1000/810/729/etc. (that is, 1st/1st/3rd/4th/etc.).

[Findarian]

Re: hi19hi19's Delicious Custom Theme Tournament

This is the main reason I hate cumulative scoring so much. It annoys me that I can go through an entire tournament really well and then one song can come along and drop me all the way to 4th, which is what I would get if you guys and radiantvibe were in our division. It kinds of end up being due to the fact that the early round scores are so close in scores, but the late round scores usually aren't, that the early round scores don't end up mattering at all, and those are the rounds where the songs that fall within my skillset usually end up being the ones we play.

So basically I really prefer tournament scoring, and I'm really really thankful Hi19 decided to do 3 types of scoring, partially because it really made the benefits and downsides of the types of scoring more apparent to me, but mostly because I had a chance to not get murdered after completely failing a song, which in this kind of tournament was a godsend.

I like tourney points because it keeps it more competitive, I wish there was some way to have, whoever improved the most won their division, but I can't even begin to think of how that would work lol

honestly, having all three scoring types is the best scoring type imo. Next time you do a tourney please do all of them again =)

[mrpreggers]

Re: hi19hi19's Delicious Custom Theme Tournament

I just had to be last for two rounds..

[hi19hi19]

Re: hi19hi19's Delicious Custom Theme Tournament

FINALS ENDS TONIGHT!
YOU HAVE ABOUT 6 HOURS LEFT...

Note that these are all subject to change as the round goes on - plus, my counting may differ from hi19's. For instance, if the top two people were tied, I gave 1000/1000/810/729/etc. (that is, 1st/1st/3rd/4th/etc.).

I've been considering this. I'm not sure how Devonin is doing things in his tournament because I'd like to hear what he has to say.

Let's say 3 people AAA and one person booflags.
Which would you guys think is more fair/which would you prefer me to use-
1000/1000/1000/729
or
1000/1000/1000/900

I like tourney points because it keeps it more competitive, I wish there was some way to have, whoever improved the most won their division, but I can't even begin to think of how that would work lol

Already I think cumulative scoring rewards whoever improved the most.
Besides, such a system would encourage sandbagging even stronger, something we don't want.

honestly, having all three scoring types is the best scoring type imo. Next time you do a tourney please do all of them again =)

I actually plan on asking people which scoring type(s) they prefer most once the tournament is over.
Don't respond yet though, need to finish the tournament and get the final results before people make their final decisions :P

[Jake Ferguson]

Re: hi19hi19's Delicious Custom Theme Tournament

I think 1000/1000/1000/900 is more fair, but it should be done 1000/1000/1000/729

[hi19hi19]

Re: hi19hi19's Delicious Custom Theme Tournament

I think 1000/1000/1000/900 is more fair, but it should be done 1000/1000/1000/729

?_?

I think I get what you're saying...
Okay let me re-ask this, which one would you prefer me to use in this tournament?
lmfao

[sanzath]

Re: hi19hi19's Delicious Custom Theme Tournament

- (Poison-: 4080, plus two missing rounds)

Poison-, y u no post scores? ;-;

Also, I'd go with 1000/1000/1000/900.

[noname219]

Re: hi19hi19's Delicious Custom Theme Tournament

1000/1000/1000/729

Ex :
There's 4 people in the division, on the first few hours the round has been posted :
Person 1 has a AAA
Person 2 has a blackflag
Person 3 has a booflag
Person 4 has 4 goods.
At this point it should go like this 1000-900-810-729

Few hours before the end of the round, Person 2 and 3 get an AAA. And Person 4 can't get a better score.
Persons 1-2-3 have a AAA so 1000 points each
Person 4 shouldn't get 900 solely on the reason Person 2 and 3 did better. He should stay at 729 points.

[alloyus]

Re: hi19hi19's Delicious Custom Theme Tournament

900 one please

[JJTrixX]

Re: hi19hi19's Delicious Custom Theme Tournament

I was talking more about the few people in D2A who have massively skillboosted (winrar, radiantvibe, etc)
Sorry if that made you feel bad :<
I'm glad you're at least able to read most of the file and enjoy it, though.

Well like i've mentioned to you before, radiant and winrar haven't skillboosted as much as u think. They easily should have been placed in D3 just based on the fact that they were getting better scores then most people in d3b as well as d3a. I'm sure if winrar actually tried his best since the start of the tourney, he could have easily aaa'ed the first 3 round songs as radiant did(or at least score better then a weaker player, myself). I've skillboosted alot too, that's why i can somewhat read the final song, but i still have trouble reading fmos and high-vcs, let alone score remotely close to d3-level players on higher difficulty charts. Also, the final scores i've posted for each round are my absolute best scores i could achieve at the time.

On that note, I really like the final song, it's pretty challenging for me, i got lucky with a 138300 score, i tried to improve today and i can barely get sub 60g with 4-5ms, gg Radiant and Winrar. It was an interesting tourney

[Jake Ferguson]

Re: hi19hi19's Delicious Custom Theme Tournament

?_?

I think I get what you're saying...
Okay let me re-ask this, which one would you prefer me to use in this tournament?
lmfao

The 729 one

[qqwref]

Re: hi19hi19's Delicious Custom Theme Tournament

The advantage of the 900 one is that if a bunch of people AAA a song then not AAAing doesn't hurt you that much.

As noname pointed out, the advantage of the 729 one is that it's more fair to the top people. That is, if you AAA and then someone else does, the people you did better than are as far from you as they should be. Having another person tie your score only improves THEIR score, not everyone's, so it doesn't hurt you as much. (I prefer the 729.)

[Breakdown16]

Re: hi19hi19's Delicious Custom Theme Tournament

?_?

I think I get what you're saying...
Okay let me re-ask this, which one would you prefer me to use in this tournament?
lmfao

Shouldn't this type of thing be determined before the tournament starts? I mean, if you wait till the tournament ends, people will try to use this to maximize credit payouts. I thought you decided to use all three scoring methods? The only question is whether to use the 900/729 scoring method.

[hi19hi19]

Re: hi19hi19's Delicious Custom Theme Tournament

The only question is whether to use the 900/729 scoring method.

That's the only question I'm asking. I decided early on to use all 3 scoring methods and that has not changed, nor will it.

I already know how I would have done it with regards to the Tournament Points (I've been calculating them roughly as we go)- I was using the 1000/1000/1000/900 system.
But qqwref has brought up an interesting alternative and I am liking the arguments so far for the 1000/1000/1000/729 method. I'll say right now the difference between the systems is pretty minor in end results because of how few ties there were in this tournament. But the principle of the thing is still absolutely worth discussing.

Unlike some other tournament hosts *cough* I'm not ABSOLUTELY CONVINCED the way I do things is the best way. If people bring up convincing arguments for something to change, I will consider it.
I won't change something specifically to help anyone get more credits or whatever, that would be absurd. But if the argument they present is reasonable and fair, then it's only reasonable and fair on my end to give their ideas a chance to be said. Having a dialogue with your tournament participants is a good thing.

[sticklydude]

Re: hi19hi19's Delicious Custom Theme Tournament

gg me. From second all the way to fifth.