9th Official Tournament: Post-Competition, Closing, and Suggestions

[AlexDest]

Re: 9th Official Tournament: Post-Competition, Closing, and Suggestions

Ji.

and technically a couple others who still are around, even though they've broken rules. i.e.

- Post child pornography or anything that could be construed as such;
you know who

- Commit any temporary offense repeatedly.
i'm pretty sure there's one guy who's been banned an incredibly dumb amount of times for being very shitty in threads

They should also be permanently banned, but given how the staff can bend the rules, then at this rate people who are looked up to can do anything harmful towards the community and hardly receive any disciplinary action because they are an "influence."

[YoshL]

Re: 9th Official Tournament: Post-Competition, Closing, and Suggestions

that is, assuming that i want to do stuff that's harmful towards the community. If you really think that, then i can just leave lol

i really don't plan to do either, so idk

(ssbmchamp's still around after doign stuff. again, velocity should be banned by your words for botting, but then there goes velo engine, etc. etc.etc.)

[TC_Halogen]

Re: 9th Official Tournament: Post-Competition, Closing, and Suggestions

except for the people that got eliminated because of it

Except it was only a single person because he was removed in the middle of the round which he cheated (it was just one single file) and rCaliberGX got vRofl anyway. Given the cutoff and his score on his song, it's pretty easy to speculate that he wouldn't have made it past the round anyway (no offense, rCaliber -- you're more than welcome to prove me wrong as I am speculating, as said before).

You're also blowing the whole situation out of proportion by using murder -- it's a pretty bad excuse of an example and I can respond with an equally bad counterexample (Michael Vick, anyone?).

I'm handling it in the way that I said above. I can easily mention a number of users that have gotten off much better than they should have. YoshL will be given a scorewipe and his eligibility for the 10th may be affected. If another staff member wants to go over my head, they can go right ahead and I will have nothing to do with it. If I'm still giving out a harsh punishment (a full scorewipe) and affecting eligibility for the next tournament, a harsher punishment than someone who alt-accounted/sandbagged the tournament (Monopsu, who was only removed from the tournament and that's it), then I see nothing wrong with it. This is a time where I will personally mention that I am extremely tired of bias towards certain users and their lack of being punished for their misbehavior -- if YoshL gets banned, then I'm going to put forth the effort to make sure that people committing/that have committed similar offenses get their punishment as well.

If this thread is going to turn into a full on argument about how YoshL should be banned/blacklisted, I will lock it, plain and simple. I created this thread for discussion in regards to the tournament, the structure, and the concepts of it, not about the users within it.

[MKIIPro]

Re: 9th Official Tournament: Post-Competition, Closing, and Suggestions

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Cheating has been regarded as an important rule of this site for years. As I said, just because YoshL made an impact on the community does not mean that he should be let off the hook with just a score-wipe and given anything that hinders his ability in an upcoming tournament. He should not be trusted for breaking an important rule, and should be permanently banned (or given a very lengthy ban) from the site, point-blank.

Even if the staff have the right to bend the rules under certain circumstances, but what YoshL did is where the line should be drawn.

Alex has a great point here. Even though that YoshL has pulled a lot off for the community, the site and such, he shouldn't get any breaks. It's in the rules that cheating results in a lengthy or permanent ban. I say that it should be carried out.

[TC_Halogen]

Re: 9th Official Tournament: Post-Competition, Closing, and Suggestions

Alright, let's fully carry out everything in the rules then -- we have a ton of users that have probably stacked bans for trolly behavior, terrible attitudes, cheating, alting, disregarding staff, etc. The rules are hardly carried out as listed in the site's overall rules, yet now everyone is throwing a hissy-fit. I like how not a single person has mentioned the fact that I allowed a number of players that were previously removed from tournaments for various reasons (including botting/cheating) to play as well. They've cheated in the past and were never banned, and they hardly gave an effort towards assisting in the site as well.

I want to keep YoshL here because he has a good attitude, he has brought events to the site (and has more), and has helped out immensely in the background with this. He's also a simfile judge too. This is ridiculous that everyone is deciding to pin him when he is still receiving relatively similar punishment in comparison to those who have alt-account/botted in the same tournament. Hardly any of the staff follows the sitewide rules, they generate their own (usually reasonable) standards, and I'm using mine here.

[AlexDest]

Re: 9th Official Tournament: Post-Competition, Closing, and Suggestions

that is, assuming that i want to do stuff that's harmful towards the community. If you really think that, then i can just leave lol

i really don't plan to do either, so idk

(ssbmchamp's still around after doign stuff. again, velocity should be banned by your words for botting, but then there goes velo engine, etc. etc.etc.)

So you're going to use other people as a counter-example in order to get you to stay with this community? I'm sensing that you actually believe you shouldn't be banned for cheating.

[XelNya]

Re: 9th Official Tournament: Post-Competition, Closing, and Suggestions

Ji.

1. and technically a couple others who still are around, even though they've broken rules. i.e.

2. - Commit any temporary offense repeatedly.
i'm pretty sure there's one guy who's been banned an incredibly dumb amount of times for being very shitty in threads

1. This is exactly why I said to just wipe his level ranks and be done with it. Other users have had their 2nd chance, give Yoshl his.

2. Hi, me here. I've done this. Still do from time to time.

Edit: Alex in a sense he should. A lot of users had to write a letter to the staff to get their unbans and if Yoshl is actually sorry (he's not a scumbag so I imagine he is) he should be given the same treatment.

I mean look at Mi40, that guy has been permad and banned almost if not way more than me. Guess what? He's cheated as well? Multiple times? Yeah that too. Guess what? He's still around. (This is entierly based on my own memory, so something here might not be 100% accurate. The point still stands that other users have committed murder and then just gone downhill again afterwards, give him a chance to redeem himself and should he fail perma his ass.)

[yo man im awesome]

Re: 9th Official Tournament: Post-Competition, Closing, and Suggestions

going back to the original topic, because seriously guys chill the fuck outttt

mmhmm. There needs to be those who are the top of a division, and the bottom. If there weren't, it would just be ties all around, and besides, it gives everyone something to work towards; those at the bottom of the division are pressed to stay alive and improve their overall performance, while those at the top need to work to maintain their image and make sure they don't fall behind.

There always has to be someone who's eliminated first. It's how elimination structure tournaments work. Can't accept that, you shouldn't participate in an elimination tournament.

Overall, this was easily the best Official Tournament I've been a part of, topping even my D4 run. I didn't make it as far technically speaking, but from a personal standpoint, 7th place is still unbelievable to me.

You did a fantastic job hosting this, AJ, don't be too hard on yourself. Your goal was to make and keep everyone happy, and I'd say that you did a damn good job of that overall. That's one of the reasons I'm never really all that happy really, I'm more concerned with making other people happy than I am myself, and it kills me when I know I can't make somebody happy. I wouldn't blame you for your time constraints at all; everyone was begging for an Official tourney, and you're the #1 person to host one. It was unlucky timing for you, but in the end, I'd argue that it was definitely worth it in the end.

My only disappointments (if you could call them that) were the lack of the D7 Tiebreaker (although, please, as fun as that would be to see, it wasn't all that necessary, besides, it was written in the final tourney FPP that there would be two winners in D7 ) and of course, like you said, the fact that we started on hella easy files. But other than that, there's really nothing to complain about from our end.

Nice job AJ.

[YoshL]

Re: 9th Official Tournament: Post-Competition, Closing, and Suggestions

ok, i'm fully done, if anyone wants to yell at me, come at me through pm rather than fucking with the thread

[DossarLX ODI]

Re: 9th Official Tournament: Post-Competition, Closing, and Suggestions

The discussion about users getting different ban lengths etc. is a different topic altogether from how the next official tournaments can be improved. If anything, the generalized wording of the rules causes a lot of problems for all those unsolved cases; the people who wrote the rules didn't see what other situations could happen. This thread is not the place for that discussion.

Something I'd like to suggest for future official tournaments is having more than one mastermind. TC_Halogen was the main guy who did a great job executing the official tournament despite what obstacles there may have been along the way, but considering time constraints what about the idea of a second host? That way it wouldn't be so overwhelming and there is another person to double-check if the rounds are correct, etc. it looks like the placement teams and such were carried out nicely.

[j-rodd123]

Re: 9th Official Tournament: Post-Competition, Closing, and Suggestions

permaban him from the forums? lol relax people jeez

[psychoangel691]

Re: 9th Official Tournament: Post-Competition, Closing, and Suggestions

I haven't read everything but I've heard brief stuff from AJ. Obviously what Yoshl did was wrong but usually you guys throw a fit when someone gets banned, now it's the opposite. If anyone's playing favorites it's the community. There are many people here that should be banned if Yoshl is to get banned. That's my 2 cents on it, but really I think the discussion about it should just be done now and handled through PMs. This thread was meant for ideas for future tournaments especially because the 10th is coming.

P.S. I intend on helping with the 10th official since it is a milestone. So I'd like to see constructive stuff in here too please.

[TC_Halogen]

Re: 9th Official Tournament: Post-Competition, Closing, and Suggestions

The discussion about users getting different ban lengths etc. is a different topic altogether from how the next official tournaments can be improved. If anything, the generalized wording of the rules causes a lot of problems for all those unsolved cases; the people who wrote the rules didn't see what other situations could happen. This thread is not the place for that discussion.

Something I'd like to suggest for future official tournaments is having more than one mastermind. TC_Halogen was the main guy who did a great job executing the official tournament despite what obstacles there may have been along the way, but considering time constraints what about the idea of a second host? That way it wouldn't be so overwhelming and there is another person to double-check if the rounds are correct, etc. it looks like the placement teams and such were carried out nicely.

I already intended on having Kayla being a co-host for the 10th since we live in the same place, and she has run two successful tournaments on her own. Not many people realize that I was a co-host for the 8th official -- I was responsible for file syncs*, frame fixes, etc. Things were really smooth when we were able to split the work load -- if I had Kayla assisting this tournament, I guarantee things would have been a lot better.

[One Winged Angel]

Re: 9th Official Tournament: Post-Competition, Closing, and Suggestions

Yeah, I'd appreciate (and I'm sure AJ would as well) if the discussion here was kept to what the OP intended -- what users enjoyed about this tournament, and constructive criticism on how to improve future tournaments. Yoshl's case has yet to be discussed among other staff members, so a ruling on this (and possible reworking of current rules?) will come about shortly.

Leave it at that for now.

[RB_Spirit]

Re: 9th Official Tournament: Post-Competition, Closing, and Suggestions

Yeah idk what's going on really, aside from knowing what YoshL did.
All i can say is, this really isn't the place for debating and challenging the moderators/administrators on how exactly YoshL should be punished.

TL;DR

Fuck of YoshL's dick/staff

/thread