Re: 9th Official Tournament: Post-Competition, Closing, and Suggestions
use better judgement when placing people >: (
use better judgement when placing people >: (
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Re: 9th Official Tournament: Post-Competition, Closing, and Suggestions
this type of inconsistency probably makes a site's administrative policies seem less legitimate in the eyes of the site's users. that applies to this case and to any other case.
I'm trying to take an impersonal approach here. if I weren't, I would be saying "0 punishment + give cookies" but that probably isn't the most appropriate action.Comment
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Re: 9th Official Tournament: Post-Competition, Closing, and Suggestions
It's a frustrating situation for me, personally. I'm being put under fire for inconsistencies that aren't my fault. Either way -- as I said, I have no intentions of letting him off scot-free.
I have people over today, and I have to work tomorrow, so prizes won't be completely distributed tonight.Comment
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Re: 9th Official Tournament: Post-Competition, Closing, and Suggestions
but aj-san i want my plushy prizesComment
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Re: 9th Official Tournament: Post-Competition, Closing, and Suggestions
People make mistakes, no harm was done. I don't see a reason to continue pushing it further. Given the rarity of the occurrence what exactly is the harm in punishment on a case-by-case basis. I'd rather see someone let off light because of their intent/previous actions and impact within the community rather than strictly ban people by a black and white, rules are rules type system. Score wipe, possibly disqualified from next tournament, and a mark against their reputation. Thats certainly anything but a light slap on the wrist.
And as far as placement goes, with the exception of a handful of individuals, several hundred were placed correctly. If you feel like it could be done better, then suggest how or volunteer to help next time because complaining at one person for many peoples work isn't exactly helping.
That being said, a small change to the structure could help alleviate some of these issues. Like a standardised measure anyone can use to determine division (like a list of files/scores per div not unlike the tier point system) and some anti-sand bagging incentives. Some rewards/badges/prestige or what have you for being placed in a higher division to make it feel more like a milestone and less like a punishment/getting set back to the bottom of an even higher mountain to climb.
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Re: 9th Official Tournament: Post-Competition, Closing, and Suggestions
While its unfortunate not everyone got to participate as long as they had hoped, due to the precarious nature of elimination tournaments, the same thing could of happened if a single person who didn't participate did, or vice-versa. Or if a song was played on round X vs Y or switched between divisions. (I know there are some people who would of creamed me if they didn't get stopped by the Bmah Wall)
In the grand scheme of things it made a very small difference (an important one still). So forgive me for weighing the experience of a few users vs the entire tournament, as AJ stated previously YoshL was a big part of making everything run smoothly. Pressure does strange things to people (as seen with the various cries for help in the forums as of late) and where it can be helped I don't think people need to be PERMANENTLY punished/disciplined for something that happens in the heat of the moment. Deliberate and repeated on the other hand is an entirely different matter.The proposed punishment seems justifiable to me, so what are you guys really pushing for here? I can understand its frustrating but that is inherent to this type of tournament, the vast majority of people will not see round 6/7 "fair" or not. So what we get is a bunch of people crying sand bagger and putting down organizers and its just not a good environment for anyone. So I would advise for the sake of the community to keep threads like this positive and constructive.Comment
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Re: 9th Official Tournament: Post-Competition, Closing, and Suggestions
hi.
for my 1st tournament, i think it was done pretty well imo, though i don't have any prior experience. the only thing i'd have to complain about is file placement (shatterscape, i mean seriously wtf was that)
Released!
Originally posted by Wayward Vagabond
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Re: 9th Official Tournament: Post-Competition, Closing, and Suggestions
are you serious right now? your whole argument is basically "he did some stuff to help the community so he should get off easy"
are you trying to tell me if i'm the ceo of corporation xyz and i go murder somebody in front of dozens of witnesses that i can be let off easy because i'm important to said corporation?Comment
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Re: 9th Official Tournament: Post-Competition, Closing, and Suggestions
The way I see it is that YoshL broke one of the most important rules and should NOT get a mere slap on the wrist just because he did a lot for the community.
The rules state:
Here are the things you really shouldn't do
You (your account, your scores, and your posts) are gone forever if you do one of these:
- Attempt to compromise or circumvent site security;
- Attempt to render a Denial of Service attack;
- Attempt to evade a ban;
- Attempt to cheat;
- Knowingly using exploits, sharing exploits with others, knowingly taking part in exploit activity.
- Post protected property of FFR, i.e. official level charts, engine sources, etc...;
- Post child pornography or anything that could be construed as such;
- Commit any temporary offense repeatedly.Cheating has been regarded as an important rule of this site for years. As I said, just because YoshL made an impact on the community does not mean that he should be let off the hook with just a score-wipe and given anything that hinders his ability in an upcoming tournament. He should not be trusted for breaking an important rule, and should be permanently banned (or given a very lengthy ban) from the site, point-blank.FFR The Game Rules:
Play FFR any way you'd like, but make sure that you don't cheat. Cheating isn't the kind of thing that just accidentally happens. Cheating also isn't tolerated. If you are caught trying to cheat in any way, you may be permanently banned from the site. Additionally, all of your scores may be removed. Examples of cheating include but are not limited to:
- Using a bot;
- Exploiting glitches;
- Having someone else play for you on your account;
- Using a double setup. (Using more than one key input at once per arrow.)
Even if the staff have the right to bend the rules under certain circumstances, but what YoshL did is where the line should be drawn.Last edited by AlexDest; 12-21-2013, 06:34 PM.
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Re: 9th Official Tournament: Post-Competition, Closing, and Suggestions
Ji.
and technically a couple others who still are around, even though they've broken rules. i.e.
- Post child pornography or anything that could be construed as such;
you know who
- Commit any temporary offense repeatedly.
i'm pretty sure there's one guy who's been banned an incredibly dumb amount of times for being very shitty in threadsLast edited by YoshL; 12-21-2013, 06:36 PM.
Originally posted by CharuComment
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Re: 9th Official Tournament: Post-Competition, Closing, and Suggestions
Lots of people who blatantly, unremorsefully cheated and were assholes about it are still around. I mean, just look at Rubix.
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Re: 9th Official Tournament: Post-Competition, Closing, and Suggestions
oh, and velocity LOL
Originally posted by CharuComment
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