Queue/Batch Discussion Thread

**stavie33** · 01-4-2009, 09:29 PM

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Originally posted by Zybanthia

I wonder if we're even talking about the same sounds in here. I'm not talking about any of the sounds that have different pieces to them, I'm talking about the electric sounds. There's no "tin" sound to them at all. Many of the rolls in Hajnal make sense. The electric ones don't.

Oh, I know what you're talking about! If you listen carefully (trust me, this took me a while to hear) to the electronic parts, behind the noise are the tinny things that make the rolls (I know what part you're talking about, not the end with the long roll walls, but the vvvwwwrrrooooop sounds), those should be holds, but he replaces them with rolls due to the small tin sounds in the back tempo, but they feel right as well, while at the same time a hold would be better

And you're right, I was thinking of a different part

@ninja, not a bad post, but jacks don't fit for a vibrating sound, their for the same note lifted and then repeated at a quick pace (stacatto?), not the same note held and being struck (these are more instrumental terms than step terms)

'vibrating jacks' are used not at vibrating noises, but the same note repeated at such inhuman speeds it sounds coherent with the previous one, which is sometimes hard to differentiate with, but it can be done

**stavie33** · 01-4-2009, 09:31 PM

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Alright, hold and jack specific difference:

If I have a guitar, and my left hand is holding the G Major chord on the fret, and I strum the held string (and only that string) back and forth, really fast, that would be a jack

But if I hit the string once and hold the fret, and let the string vibrate, creating a differentiated form of that note for a time until it stops, that would be a hold

Get it?

**dore** · 01-4-2009, 09:34 PM

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itt we learn why stepping breakcore sucks

They're not technically continuous notes, but they're so fast that it's retarded to simulate them by buzzing any amount of keys. It's the accepted way of doing it since it's always been that way but it's really not right... I wish rolls were developed earlier so that the trend of stepping 512th notes intended to be one sound get stepped as super dump-rolls.

**stavie33** · 01-4-2009, 09:36 PM

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Just checked out RATO, I think those rolls should be holds, but since FFR can't do holds, rolls it is

**Zybanthia** · 01-4-2009, 09:39 PM

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Originally posted by stavie33

behind the noise are the tinny things that make the rolls (I know what part you're talking about, not the end with the long roll walls, but the vvvwwwrrrooooop sounds), those should be holds, but he replaces them with rolls due to the small tin sounds in the back tempo

Man, that's just so obscure that it's a little ridiculous, but okay. I'm sure you know what you're hearing. As long as it's not like the first 24th stream in Lunatic Princess, I'm good. If a sound is there, regardless of how quiet, you're not really in the wrong stepping it; this is aside from what I think is personally fun. I won't call stepping to every sound an incorrect file.

When it's not there, then it's pretty darn wrong to step it.

And yes, regarding RATO, that's the whole reason I brought Hajnal up in the first place. It was just supposed to be a comparison of the two.

EDIT:

Originally posted by stavie33

If I have a guitar, and my left hand is holding the G Major chord on the fret, and I strum the held string (and only that string) back and forth, really fast, that would be a jack

But if I hit the string once and hold the fret, and let the string vibrate, creating a differentiated form of that note for a time until it stops, that would be a hold

Yes, this is a good way of explaining what I was trying to explain earlier. I get this, but apparently, ninjaKIWI doesn't.

**stavie33** · 01-4-2009, 09:43 PM

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Originally posted by Zybanthia

Man, that's just so obscure that it's a little ridiculous, but okay. I'm sure you know what you're hearing. As long as it's not like the first 24th stream in Lunatic Princess, I'm good. If a sound is there, regardless of how quiet, you're not really in the wrong stepping it; this is aside from what I think is personally fun. I won't call stepping to every sound an incorrect file.

When it's not there, then it's pretty darn wrong to step it.

And yes, regarding RATO, that's the whole reason I brought Hajnal up in the first place. It was just supposed to be a comparison of the two.

EDIT:

Yes, this is a good way of explaining what I was trying to explain earlier. I get this, but apparently, ninjaKIWI doesn't.

I agree, keep up the awesomeness Zybanthia!

**dore** · 01-4-2009, 09:46 PM

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I just wish chill music like RATO wouldn't be stepped as dump files. Just because something has 9 million notes in the background doesn't mean you should make it a mash fest. At least pick a song that's intense and in your face with a bunch of notes if you want to make a really really hard file.

**TC_Halogen** · 01-4-2009, 09:56 PM

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The Queue/Batch discussion thread turned into RATO Discussion thread. Yes, it's a controversial file; yes, it's ridiculously hard--everyone asked for something hard, RATO was given. I say deal with it and move on. Leave DGK alone. He's suffered enough criticism as it is.

**stavie33** · 01-4-2009, 10:07 PM

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Originally posted by TC_Halogen

The Queue/Batch discussion thread turned into RATO Discussion thread. Yes, it's a controversial file; yes, it's ridiculously hard--everyone asked for something hard, RATO was given. I say deal with it and move on. Leave DGK alone. He's suffered enough criticism as it is.

I never said I didn't like it, I love RATO, and IMO, it's stepped to its full difficulty potential and that's all, it's not overstepped, and certainly not under stepped, and we thank DGK for making the mash parts rolls and not random stream crap like in Eclipse Solar (which isn't a problem for Eclipse, it works for that, but wouldn't work for RATO)

And DGK, you did a better job than I could have ever done for any file, so hats off to you for making the hardest file, well, ever! (Unless we get permission for Emiru Maniaxx in which case my file will run RATO off the edge I think)

**Zybanthia** · 01-4-2009, 10:10 PM

Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread

Originally posted by TC_Halogen

The Queue/Batch discussion thread turned into RATO Discussion thread.

Partly my bad, and I apologize. I mean to keep those things in the simfile discussion thread, and had merely made a simple comment about its rolls, but others turned it into a big ordeal. Still, I started it. Also, I agree with what dore said.

But on topic, I'm looking forward to the batch notes to see what I need to improve on.

**stavie33** · 01-4-2009, 10:20 PM

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Anyone gonna step The Article by Crow (dBu)? If not, I'd like to, or do a collab or something...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqLXKiV4bb0

if you haven't heard it, listen to it there

**Patashu** · 01-4-2009, 11:01 PM

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depressed -> stepping Witches Hat by Orange Dust

coul song

I'm being creative with the layering

edit: 6! 0 6! the number of the drum machine

edit 2: rato a chill song hahahahahahaha

oh god you're killing me

it sounds like it's a tape being fast-forwarded

**TC_Halogen** · 01-4-2009, 11:15 PM

Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread

Originally posted by Zybanthia

Partly my bad, and I apologize. I mean to keep those things in the simfile discussion thread, and had merely made a simple comment about its rolls, but others turned it into a big ordeal. Still, I started it. Also, I agree with what dore said.

But on topic, I'm looking forward to the batch notes to see what I need to improve on.

Don't blame yourself. Everyone has been talking about it all over the place. I think it's better that people just move on, haha.

Also, yay, time to see how bad JX/blu rejected my charts. I really should have spent a lot more time on them instead of rushing them out like I did.

**Tasselfoot** · 01-4-2009, 11:21 PM

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this is what happens when i don't watch you guys constantly, huh?

damn. take this crap to AIM or PMs or something.

in other news, i printed out batch notes... 5 pages of notes from jx, 9 pages from blu. blu wrote some LONG notes.

oh yea... before i forget. blu told me that his school commitments will be insane this coming semester and will not be able to work on the batch until the summer. as such, we have an opening for a judge. jx and i have already discussed our feelings on the matter, but i'm curious to a) hear who you guys think should be a judge and b) see from you guys who wants to be a judge.

**Patashu** · 01-4-2009, 11:22 PM

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me lol

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