Queue/Batch Discussion Thread

[bob bob]

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DRAMA O SHI

also arch0wl as judge, lol this should be interesting

EDIT:

Having files on DF isnt anything to use as backup for having files. They're very lenient with judging and files are easily accepted there.

Couldn't agree more

[iironiic]

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For future references, is being a backup judge a one time commitment? I wouldn't want to be a judge despite how busy I am all the time, but I'm considering being a backup judge sometime in the future when I stepped enough files.

[ichliebekase]

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For everyone who keeps saying "drama blah blah blah" you guys are the ones who are going to start crap. I took it out of the thread to Jimerax personally. If he sees Jeff [Niala] and I to be fit judges, then he'll put us in. We're back-up judges for the time being and if you guys have a problem with Jimerax's opinion then take it up with him personally.

[Plan_Bsk81127]

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Lol, I dont see anyone starting drama except you. Everyone here is simply stating that for these newer people coming in to be judges need to realize that it is not that easy to become one as you might think it is. You are just getting upset because you fall in with those new people and dont like hearing people not wanting someone like you as a judge. So you are the one being defensive and is going to have drama started up.

[ichliebekase]

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Lol, I dont see anyone starting drama except you. Everyone here is simply stating that for these newer people coming in to be judges need to realize that it is not that easy to become one as you might think it is. You are just getting upset because you fall in with those new people and dont like hearing people not wanting someone like you as a judge. So you are the one being defensive and is going to have drama started up.

I'm trying to understand how I'm starting drama...good joke there ;]

[who_cares973]

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So? That wasn't the point of me saying how many I had. It was to point out that I did have some and where they were. Please stop getting on my case Carlos.

I've got about 8+ files in DF's engine so it's not like I've only stepped a few things before.

You said its not like you only stepped a few files. All I did was point out that 8 is indeed very few files. Take it easy its not like I'm -just- picking on you. Every person that's wanted to be a judge/backup judge that I didn't think would be suited for the job I've tolde them and you're no different.

Ps I'm just tired of people going"hey I stepped a file I could be a backup judge :B"

[ichliebekase]

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You said its not like you only stepped a few files. All I did was point out that 8 is indeed very few files. Take it easy its not like I'm -just- picking on you. Every person that's wanted to be a judge/backup judge that I didn't think would be suited for the job I've tolde them and you're no different.

Ps I'm just tired of people going"hey I stepped a file I could be a backup judge :B"

I understand that 8 is few, and I understand that I still need work on my files. But what is kind of insulting is how everyone is assuming that new judges aren't going to be able to judge well at all. I just think we need to be given a chance and if we screw up then obviously we'd be gone for a while as judges.

Let's all just wait and see what happens.

[who_cares973]

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I understand that 8 is few, and I understand that I still need work on my craftsmanship But what is kind of insulting is how everyone is assuming that new bridge builders aren't going to be able to build bridges well at all. I just think we need to be given a chance and if we screw up then obviously we'd be gone for a while as judges.

Let's all just wait and see what happens.

See what I did there? There's a reason why experience is required

[who_cares973]

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Awesome idea except the step 30 seconds in 30 minutes. Seems pointless. I was actually going to do the first bit myself lol. I was going to step a file with intentional errors and have some people test them out to see if they're of to snuff

I wouldn't mind that implemented at all

[Arch0wl]

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I can understand why some drama would result from judge selection. It's a vague thing, and it's extremely presumptuous for someone to say they can do it better than you.

I think the most important quality a judge can have is an authority built from experience in the community. Not because this will make him/her a better judge, but because people are less likely to say they deserve it more. Second to that, you should have (1) the ability to provide constructive feedback: "here's what I liked, here's what I think would make your file better", and (2) a tendency to get the judging done right away, because no one wants to wait forever to have their file judged.

[Arch0wl]

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Also, any judge exam would essentially cement a kind of aristocracy where there is one "judge style" that's passed down from judge to judge. This is precisely what happened with pad simfile tournaments in 2003 and 2004. Almost no song could win which wasn't some type of 8-footer happy house garbage, and this pretty much stayed the same until ITG came out.

[TC_Halogen]

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It would be impossible to account for everybody's sort of taste as far as judging goes. Some people like technical piano files, some people like bursty IDM files, some people like files with just straight 16th stream, and some people like straight 8th note anime openings. A good judge should be able to make sure the file passes the bare minimums (proper BPM and offsync, basic notes actual follow something, layering isn't all over the place, etc) and then go from there as to whether or not the file would be fun and appealing for the majority of players.

It's the precise reason why a person needs to be able to differentiate between their likes and preferences, to things that are noted inconsistencies within the files (goes back to objective errors).

EDIT: also, for anyone using the reason that they have files on DF, I want to personally let you know that, while I'm lenient there:

strictness rating:

green = I'm easy
yellow = I'm easy-moderate
orange = I'm moderate-strict
red = I'm strict

[Team 3] (26 files)
TC_Halogen
buizel8888
who_cares973
i love you

I'm not over here. My way of helping out over there is being lighter on judging when a person is trying to build a foundation toward stepping, rather than giving them harsh ratings. Over here, I'm assuming that a person has all of the fundamentals down, and my definitions of the fundamentals happens to stretch slightly past layering and consistency.

[ichliebekase]

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Second to that, you should have (1) the ability to provide constructive feedback: "here's what I liked, here's what I think would make your file better", and (2) a tendency to get the judging done right away, because no one wants to wait forever to have their file judged.

I like what you said here. Providing good feedback is what is more necessary than anything when judging files [because I thought that's what we were doing here >.>]

I liked the Judging Exam except for the speed round too, mainly because there are some step artists that take their time and don't usually finish a file within 3 days.

[TC_Halogen]

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random unrelated note: three of our judges (and one ex-judge) all share the same birthday today

Happy birthday to Patashu, Silvuh, and Kory (and Rebirth, but he won't see this for another year).

[woker-X]

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Really??.. wow...

Happy birthday to all of them :3