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  • who_cares973
    FFR Player
    • Aug 2006
    • 15407

    #16396
    Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread

    lets use a 1-1000 scale

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    • Patashu
      FFR Simfile Author
      FFR Simfile Author
      • Apr 2006
      • 8609

      #16397
      Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread

      I think that a judge should grade two things about a file: How good it is now, and how much it would be improved by the fixes suggested in the notes. This would disambiguate whether +. is 'not the best file but about as good as you'll get for the song' and 'fun, but with some tweaks it would be perfect, so I want these tweaks done'

      Alternatively, EVERY queue is a conditional queue until the stepcharter writes in and says yes/no to every suggested thing in the batch notes, nominating either the current .sm or a modified .sm as the final version.
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      • qqwref
        stepmania archaeologist
        FFR Simfile Author
        • Aug 2005
        • 4092

        #16398
        Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread

        Originally posted by jimerax
        ++ and -- are the same with + and - score-wise but we will take judge's intention at least.
        Well, has any file that would have been rejected (due to point count) been accepted because it had a ++? (And -- is still meaningless because giving a file a - already automatically rejects it with the current system, even if the other judges love it.)

        Originally posted by Patashu
        I think that a judge should grade two things about a file: How good it is now, and how much it would be improved by the fixes suggested in the notes. This would disambiguate whether +. is 'not the best file but about as good as you'll get for the song' and 'fun, but with some tweaks it would be perfect, so I want these tweaks done'
        Great idea. I don't think we need a 5-point scale, because if you give something 2 or less the actual rating doesn't matter much (a 2 is not really more likely to get accepted than a 1 or 0), so I think it would be good enough to have four levels that are essentially 5/5, 4/5, 3/5, and 0/5. In that case:
        [++]=great, [+]=good, [?]=average, [-]=bad
        and then add one ! for each additional point you think the stepartist could improve the chart with recommendations. So [+!] would be a good file that could be great with some fixes.

        Then a file might need (say) 12-13 of 15 points in this scheme to make the real queue, but if it got up to 13 points including !'s (as 1 point each) then it would make the conditional queue.
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        • jimerax
          FFR Simfile Author
          FFR Music Producer
          • Nov 2003
          • 8185

          #16399
          Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread

          I still think +. (light accept) and + (strong accept) should be separated.

          Originally posted by Patashu
          I think that a judge should grade two things about a file: How good it is now, and how much it would be improved by the fixes suggested in the notes. This would disambiguate whether +. is 'not the best file but about as good as you'll get for the song' and 'fun, but with some tweaks it would be perfect, so I want these tweaks done'
          Yeah I know about this "perfectly stepped mediocre song" vs "roughly stepped awesome song" discussion.
          Both could be 4/5(+.), but I think the latter really needs tweaks even if it's accepted.

          In addition to normal rating, [accept /fix] in the comment could be useful for those (and occasionally those files will be in conditional queue).

          Originally posted by qqwref
          Well, has any file that would have been rejected (due to point count) been accepted because it had a ++? (And -- is still meaningless because giving a file a - already automatically rejects it with the current system, even if the other judges love it.)
          (+, +, -) isn't always a reject.
          also - and -- matter mainly for submission limit reduction, or temporary ban of submission.
          If a file get 3 "-"s (-- is counted as 2), the submitter should get some penalty for the submission.
          Last edited by jimerax; 11-24-2010, 04:32 AM.

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          • Patashu
            FFR Simfile Author
            FFR Simfile Author
            • Apr 2006
            • 8609

            #16400
            Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread

            I can't think of any penalty that would stick as they could just submit under a pseudonym, except for a downloadable 'wall of shame' where examples of what not to do are held.
            Patashu makes Chiptunes in Famitracker:
            http://soundcloud.com/patashu/8bit-progressive-metal-fading-world
            http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/Mechadragon/smallpackbanner.png
            Best non-AAAs: ERx8 v2 (14-1-0-4), Hajnal (3-0-0-0), RunnyMorning (8-0-0-4), Xeno-Flow (1-0-0-3), Blue Rose (35-2-0-20), Ketsarku (14-0-0-0), Silence (1-0-0-0), Lolo (14-1-0-1)
            http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee301/xiaoven/solorulzsig.png

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            • jimerax
              FFR Simfile Author
              FFR Music Producer
              • Nov 2003
              • 8185

              #16401
              Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread

              Originally posted by Patashu
              I can't think of any penalty that would stick as they could just submit under a pseudonym, except for a downloadable 'wall of shame' where examples of what not to do are held.
              Yea it's possible if they take time to submit with another account and e-mail without being noticed. Even if they succeed at submitting, they can't get credit for the real account when their files get accepted.

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              • kommisar
                Dark Chancellor
                FFR Simfile Author
                FFR Music Producer
                • Jun 2005
                • 7328

                #16402
                Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread

                Originally posted by TC_Halogen
                why use a decimal to complicate things?

                Simply put: do a 5 point scale, three judges, 12 point acceptance minimum with discretion used on files that fall below 12 points due to a single judge's difference in opinion. Forget all of the symbol nonsense.
                this would actually be a more accurate way of accepting things

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                • kjman472
                  Painfully Average
                  • Nov 2008
                  • 45

                  #16403
                  Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread

                  niceee

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                  • AsphyxZero
                    Banned
                    • Oct 2010
                    • 1823

                    #16404
                    Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread

                    Awesome post.

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                    • kommisar
                      Dark Chancellor
                      FFR Simfile Author
                      FFR Music Producer
                      • Jun 2005
                      • 7328

                      #16405
                      Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread

                      quick question why did i lose my ffr r1 simfile author title

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                      • Coolboyrulez0
                        VICES
                        FFR Simfile Author
                        FFR Music Producer
                        • Aug 2006
                        • 10042

                        #16406
                        Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread

                        Originally posted by kommisar
                        quick question why did i lose my ffr r1 simfile author title
                        isnt that on kommisar[os]?
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                        https://cbrrecords.bandcamp.com/

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                        • jimerax
                          FFR Simfile Author
                          FFR Music Producer
                          • Nov 2003
                          • 8185

                          #16407
                          Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread

                          Originally posted by Coolboyrulez0
                          isnt that on kommisar[os]?
                          true. you can't have that title on every alt account.

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                          • Korygon
                            FFR Player
                            • Oct 2010
                            • 138

                            #16408
                            Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread

                            in the last batch i submitted under like 3 different alts. Each of them are so getting a title B)

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                            • bmah
                              shots FIRED
                              Profile Moderator
                              FFR Simfile Author
                              Global Moderator
                              • Oct 2003
                              • 8448

                              #16409
                              Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread

                              Addressing a few comments I've received:

                              Originally posted by Khenra
                              I don't know whether you guys still publish easy files or not, but it's worth a shot.
                              Haha, we NEED more easy files. Don't let the trend of hard files ending up in the game discourage you from sending easy stuff. The acceptance rate for easy files is also generally a higher than sending in more difficult files.

                              Originally posted by AsphyxZero/Torrent
                              If the jacks are a bit too much, tell me quickly so I can fix before the batch closes.
                              Your best bet for an opinion is someone else who has experience in stepping stuff...yeah, don't count on someone providing an opinion through the submission email. Ask someone like Patashu to check over it if he's available.

                              @woker: It's not a huge deal, but can you please send multiple files within a single email? Thanks!

                              Originally posted by jimerax
                              Ok guys, you need to add your usernames to the song folder's title please. There's already three here without them.
                              Last edited by bmah; 11-25-2010, 12:40 AM.

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                              • psychoangel691
                                Retired Staff
                                FFR Simfile Author
                                • Dec 2004
                                • 10438

                                #16410
                                Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread

                                Originally posted by bmah
                                Ok guys, you need to add your usernames to the song folder's title please. There's already three here without them, and I have no clue who stepped those files...

                                I remembered to add it to the zip title and I guess didn't add it to the file itself :/

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