Queue/Batch Discussion Thread

[Plan_Bsk81127]

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that missing person looks like it should be someone good with like technicality. People who mess with the multi colored notes more. Looks like a good set up there kory.

[customstuff]

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that missing person looks like it should be someone good with like technicality. People who mess with the multi colored notes more. Looks like a good set up there kory.

Doubt Stargroup will come back... :P

[Korygon]

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Stargroup is busy with school. Don't really see him around all that much anymore, except for an occasional post on KBO. Same reason why Moches doesn't have the spot.

[Plan_Bsk81127]

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NO NOT STARGROUP. >=[ He is WAY too picky with file hence why KBO barely has any.

[customstuff]

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It was a joke, by the way. What's Midare up to? I doubt he'd want to anyway...

[who_cares973]

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that missing person looks like it should be someone good with like technicality. People who mess with the multi colored notes more. Looks like a good set up there kory.

I don't know of any other person besides moches that uses color notes as much as gundam and myself haha. The only people I can think of that would be qualified in my opinion to judge are behan, bluguerilla, hi19, and tasselfoot

[Korygon]

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I havent heard anything from behan or blu in god knows how long, but yeah I agree with you on that one Carlos

[TC_Halogen]

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I've always considered FFR file judging to be for highly qualified people. I don't think I could name 12 people who are qualified enough for that

*sigh*

If that's the case, then why is it that most of the SM stepartists consider FFR files to be crap? You "extremely qualified" people obviously aren't doing a good enough job as judges if you later consider the files total garbage.

I extremely dislike the fact that more than half of the people on the judging staff are huge Stepmania steppers, but have contributed nothing (or extremely little) to FFR. I'm sorry, but putting a ton of SM steppers to judge FFR files is stupid, because the file structures for both charts are completely different. FFR's lack of freezes causes lots of extra colors, drum n' bass charts tend to have extremely fast bursts, and the overall layering is different. The more prolific artists FROM FFR should be considered, not those who have absolutely no files in game but are "light chancellors" or "dark chancellors". I don't care who the hell you are, if you have no experience stepping charts for FFR itself, you really shouldn't be judging for them either.

Now I know that certain people have judged before, and they did a good job. Kommisar has a few files in game, and did a great job as a file judge - Patashu has a decent amount as well. And well, Rebirth has an ass-load too, so he's fine.

As for the rest of these people, you shouldn't let them judge with absolutely no files in the game whatsoever.

The teams idea is alright, but it also assumes that everyone is going to be active, because it seems like the teams are split up in terms of style judgment (some are technical judges, some are fun factor, others sit in between). I'm all for getting multiple opinions, but there's nothing to ensure that all of these judges will do their job.

Aside from my issues, I guess the people within the teams Kory has posted is alright...there's two people I don't agree with being on the panel.

EDIT: +1000000000000000 for behanjc being added if we can find him again

[Korygon]

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I have a file in the game




I do agree though. FFR files have to be set up differently than SM files, due to the lack of holds and mines, as well as the lack of general options (no distant mode >=|)
Debit, who do you disagree with? We probably should get all of this out now so we can figure out who should and shouldn't judge.

[OneHandNow]

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*sigh*

If that's the case, then why is it that most of the SM stepartists consider FFR files to be crap? You "extremely qualified" people obviously aren't doing a good enough job as judges if you later consider the files total garbage.

Exactly this.. there are sooooooo many generic / bland files in FFR..

Same **** all over again..

But then again, there aren't that many options to play with in FFR (no holds, no mines, no real customizable features besides speed mods.. but even that's limited to 1.5x~2.25x at the most..)

[who_cares973]

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only people on the list that don't have all that much or not at all as far as how files are judged, what's expected of the files, and how patterns translate from sm to ffr. Those two people being kory and gdude. That's not to say they would be bad judges because I'm damn sure they'd do a good job

[Korygon]

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I really meant to put more files in the game, I swear I did. I just never got around to it.


I will have a few in game after this next batch, so that will be my proof of my FFR-ness I guess?

[TC_Halogen]

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I have a file in the game




I do agree though. FFR files have to be set up differently than SM files, due to the lack of holds and mines, as well as the lack of general options (no distant mode >=|)
Debit, who do you disagree with? We probably should get all of this out now so we can figure out who should and shouldn't judge.

I'm having issues with the whole team concept in general - it's a bit too much of a change from the older system (I guess I'm slightly adverse to change).

My disagreements (and please, no one take offense to this ) with the judging panel are NSane, and (only slight disagreement here) G-Dude.

Now, let me start with G-Dude. He's a fantastic stepper. I give the kid a ton of credit, because his files have been fun to me, time and time again. But, he's even said it himself - he's not even sure how to distinguish from judging between an FFR file and an SM one. Can he judge? Absolutely. I've seen his work from the Xoon/LCP packs, his quality control for SM packs is great. But, will he judge FFR files properly? Only time will tell.

NSane, on the other hand - I'm not sure if he's actually ready for judging files. He's made quite a few files, but none of them have made it into FFR itself, and if I remember correctly, not too many of them received great marks either. This isn't to say that he couldn't have improved from the time the site was down or that he hasn't practiced, but we actually don't know that yet.

And before I go on and post about two people, I'll post about myself too - I haven't made that many files, I'm well aware of this. But a good deal of stepartists have seen that small amount of files that I've made and (from what I've heard) they approve of them. I'm capable of judging files from an SM and FFR perspective (I'm a judge on KBO, and I judge FFR files from our small little community over at Dragons Fury), which means there's a certain amount of flexibility.

Now, before I go on - there's something I want to address:

Something that I thought was working great for us on DF (just an opinion). There was myself, Halogen, and WC judging files. Now we were a bit more relaxed over there on some things but what was good about this team was you had WC who looked at the files from all technical aspects, then Halogen looked for technical errors but also looked at fun factor, I looked more at the fun/replayability factors, so I was kinda like the person looking at it more from a players point of view rather than just how "perfect" the file was made. (and I would reject for major mistakes of course)

This post holds EXTREME relevance to me. There's a fine balance between finding objective/subjective errors and picking out files that flow, and then finding charts that actually fill a chart that has fun factor. You guys need to listen to the members of the community who are actually playing the game. Judges need to also be able to distinguish charts to have both a subjective accuracy mixed with a fun factor. People need to relax on the purely technical aspects of a file and focus on more of the fundamentals that most FFR files have. Yes, they have a decent amount of layering; yes, they have some pitch relevancy, but not every file has it - it should stay this way. Trying to force feed people SM-style files is going to upset the FFR community who plays because they despise the charts having nothing but the technical aspect.

Bring FFR back to what it used be because that's what everyone cared for and loved - don't try to just rush a ton of new files with a new style and hope that the users will like. This isn't your community to change. Hold true to the style.

[psychoangel691]

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It shouldn't matter how many files someone has in FFR what should matter is do they have basic knowledge on technical aspects of charts and can they look at it for more than just the technical aspect. I've even argued this issue on kbo before with stargroup. If everyone on the team is going to be super omgwtf technical the charts are going to lose that fun factor. There should be at least one person on the team that is basically just a player of ffr. Be honest how many of you actually play FFR regularly? If you aren't going to be playing the charts, why should you be judging them? What matters are the people that ARE going to be playing them. Which is why there should be at least one person that looks at it from the gamer point of view and not just well the PR is off, the layering is a little inconsistent (not major inconsistencies because that would be an issue) etc.

I just see it like the community kinda got ignored for a good chunk of before the site went down. Now that it's being reborn again the community should be listened to.

[who_cares973]

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I disagree I'll go ahead and say why when I get on my laptop