Official Tournament 13 Batch Notes

[M0nkeyz]

Re: Official Tournament 13 Batch Notes

fixes sent!

[choof]

Re: Official Tournament 13 Batch Notes

Schmollbluk: CQ condition satisfied by removal of 64th mini-wall at 2:40.125, and more notes added from 2:40.418 to 3:26.076 to mitigate the low step -> high wait time problem. Accepted.

let's fuckin GOOOOOO
actually what did you think about the stuff for the vocals, do they make sense and are fun to hit
don't have a problem changing around patterns tbh that section took me maybe 10 minutes to bust out lol

[klimtkiller]

Re: Official Tournament 13 Batch Notes

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Track Title: I think that'll be good enough. There's still two pretty nasty split-handed bursts in here, but they both transition into very easily. This is gonna piss people off so much, ahahahaha. Accepted.
contribution.

apologies in advance guys :3

[mi40]

Re: Official Tournament 13 Batch Notes

Vast Universe (mi40) [5.5/10]
Artist: Vospi vs. KOTOKO -- Perms: OK

- 10.734 to 32.067: with the exception of 20.067 to 21.401/25.401 to 26.734 - this stream is pretty generic and doesn’t really have much pattern control, it’s just everywhere
- 31.692: ghost note
- 53.901 to 1:12.067: patterning is very staircase heavy, particularly in the second half, and really doesn’t do much in terms of trying to make the patterning stand out in some way
- 1:13.484/1:14.151: ghost notes for vocals
- 1:13.817: missing note for vocals
- 1:36.068 to 2:16.068: I’d be much more willing to give these streams that seem to just be nothing more than pace setting a chance if there was something that the player actually had to pay attention to while doing it; you’ve got a solid vocal line and even an opportunity for a 3 repeated measures of something + 1 transitional measure starting at 1:57.401 -- it’s just seeming like the player is supposed to stream without any real rhyme or reason.
- 1:59.818: missing bass note; after the termination at 1:59.568, it starts right back up again
- 2:18.734 to 2:37.401: and, by having the basic 16th streams + 4th jumps structure that you’ve got earlier on for a majority of the song, you lose the opportunity to create something different for this section when a synth actually noticeably arrives with 16th note melodies - this unfortunately introduces a bit of a drag
- 2:40.068 to 2:49.401: not the best of execution, but I understand the idea and it was a good idea to introduce this kind of change, as the trills are something a player wouldn’t have dealt with before; the few jumps in here feel a bit strange since they don’t seem to accent something discrete
- 2:53.901/2:55.901/2:59.234: missing jump for vocals
- 3:05.401: the three previous jumps should be changed off of [LD] so that these [LD] stand out as their own accent
- 3:34.568: change either the [U] or the [UR] so that there’s not a repeating note
- this chart’s unfortunately really generic -- it’s got a consistent application of layering, but it’s not always correct in approach and in general, the streaming patterns don’t do anything worthwhile, nor do the layering that supports it

don't know what you mean by "generic" and not having much "pattern control", i would like some examples on what pattern control means since i have no idea what that means. those 20.067 to 21.404 etc sections are structured like that because they stand out but sure, i guess i could've changed up the patterns a bit more.

ghost note was put there because i didn't like putting a jump at the start to encourage jumptrilling that but it is a ghost note regardless, point taken

yes those staircases are there because the song is building up and doesn't have any vocals yet, it's basically a stripped down version of the opening, not sure why that's a negative thing?

1:13.484 - that's not a ghost note. the phrase is "do you wanna get" with "wanna" having 2 syllables.
1:14.151 - same here. it's "do you wanna get" with 5 syllables total. yeah it's a bit slower but people aren't playing this song at 0.5 speed. if i pushed this up by a 16th note it'd be weird to hit.

1:36 - 2:16: sure, i could've layered every vocal. but that would make the file much harder in general, i wanted to give players something to warm up on.

1:59: fading the background melody out with 1:59.485, fading back in with 1:59.985 and fully restarting by continuing at 1:20.151, and giving players a little break

2:18 to 2:37: sure this might feel like a drag to you since you're a D8 player, but for the target audience trying to AAA this to the best of their ability this is really not a drag, this wasn't supposed to be a layer-everything-in-every-time kind of file.. sometimes repetition is nice (that's my opinion though)

2:40-2:49: the jumps are there to anchor for chunks of melody, straight trills felt awkward to me, although i should've probably removed the 2:43.735 jump

2:53.901 - i was conflicted on this one but i guess i should add it in since it's still loud enough to match the previous vocal set
2:55.901 - i disagree on this one as it would've made 5 jumps in a row and the last 3 syllables are much, much louder than the first two and a whole new word. omitting 2:55.901 better represents the emphasis of the vocals
2:59.234 - sure why not, i was pretty conflicted on this one too

3:05.401: agreed, i will probably change the previous 3 jumps.

all in all, i'm extremely sad that this got a 5.5 since i genuinely felt this was a generic but fun jumpstream file with an upbeat song that's not super short and tests stamina as well for mid level players. i guess this belongs in a stepmania pack instead. still thanks for your feedback

[gold stinger]

Re: Official Tournament 13 Batch Notes

game needs more 2007 era meme bops

Give me some 2007 era meme bops that we have permission to send in and I will step it

[hi19hi19]

Re: Official Tournament 13 Batch Notes

Sent fixes to Snorestop.

Took all the suggestions from the notes and additionally fixed up some minor sync errors and layering inconsistencies. It's still pretty "freeform" but it should feel a bit cleaner now.
Most importantly I added a tiny layering of the bass in the quiet part of the ending - just like 8 notes, nothing that changes the difficulty at all. I'd love feedback if that improved the section or not; I think it does but I'll gladly revert it if judges feel otherwise.


That should be final updates for all of my files that were judged (unless some additional errors are pointed out)
I hope people enjoy them!

[klimtkiller]

Re: Official Tournament 13 Batch Notes

i looked at track title again and noticed there was a jump at 2:17:422 which should have been at 2:17:533.

i have fixed that and sent to the batch.

[Psychotik]

Re: Official Tournament 13 Batch Notes

Sorry for the late post, but I noticed inconsistencies in Hornet that really bother me so I had to send in more fixes. Here is a complete changelist of the fixes.

22.826 - Added notes to the guitar tremolo like it appears in the next beat. This was also reflected when it repeats in the music near the end.
28.030 - Changed the patterning slightly so it actually plays well and makes more sense than what I had before which was weird one-handed stuff. Also fixed when it repeats at the end.
30.173 - Fixed this section so the jumps fall on the guitar on the 12th notes. For some reason it landed on the 4th and 8th notes before despite it being completely inaccurate and me noticing the proper pattern a measure earlier. Also fixed when it repeats at the end.
41.193 - Added notes to the drum hits in between the jumps like I did in 48.540 for consistency.
80.377 - Fixed the jump PR issue as per Halogen's notes.
129.458, 130.683 - Added guitar flam notes I missed when fixing the earlier ones in the song back when Halogen gave me notes on these.

I uploaded the fixes already.

[XelNya]

Re: Official Tournament 13 Batch Notes

I know I'm really late to responding, but I'm just so petty I have to respond to the last of it. I've spent an actual week on it since I read it.

Honestly, I'm not going to get super into it with you, you've been around long enough to know that we've always reserved the right that if a file would not fit into the tournament for one reason or another it could be kicked out to another batch to be judged. A v2 to a song that is a part of the prizes for an event to me seems like it'd be a no brainer, but I'll say sorry for not spelling out literally everything. I have too much expectation of common sense I guess. From now on I'll take the time and marinate on every line for a few days to make sure I don't miss anything.

Also, he just put in countless hours to get this done and it's ridiculous to have to put up with this over ONE LINE he put in his notes. Just move on.

1. Sure you could have kicked it to another batch, you didn't do that. It's not relevant.
2. You think it's a no brainier, doesn't mean everyone else does. I don't think alternatives to gated files should be an automatic exemption, but had I know it was, I would have subbed a different file.
3. You claim it's an execution of common sense, but really there's nothing common sense about it. There's no precedent to reference, there's nothing said anywhere about what you personally would consider worth moving to another batch, in short there's no way to know what you would move is. It's a guess and hope system, which is totally inefficient.
4. The time he spent really doesn't matter, it just doesn't. Not in this discussion anyways.

I literally wrote 40 (single spaced) pages of judgment notes for 83 files, spending likely 60+ hours of my time to expedite notes to all of the people who have offered to contribute to the site's premiere event, all in the span over a touch above two weeks, after working 40 hours per week on my computer on top of it. Including the weekends, this is two weeks of me spending very literally 70 hours a week between my normal job and what was temporarily a second job, because I actually wanted to see this through and committed the time.

(For those of you that were around during the last OT, think of this as a reprieve for my poor approach towards judgment last time that caused things to stagnate for a long time. A redemption of sorts.)

You did this of your own volition, and just because you had a good intention doesn't mean it mattered. You made a mistake, I called it, and there was even a response that actually avoided all of this, and while Kayla almost got it the second time, I'd say it misses the mark slightly. All that needed to be said was "We didn't think we needed to do that." Or, the one I was looking for, "We didn't think we needed to do that, but will do so in the future."

I don't care about the time you put into it, it just doesn't matter. It's a reason to have made the mistake, but it's absolutely no reason to have gotten upset over what you say is a minor complaint.

I'm not going to be tactful towards you anymore because you are clearly too self-centered to realize that you're bitching about a minor disagreement over a single line of notes, so I'm just going to go right the fuck out and say it:

As of this moment, I legitimately could not be bothered to care any less about you as a content creator, nor the creations that you have made to the game, with the piss-poor self-centered attitude you have. Kindly get over yourself, take whatever it is that continues to be up your ass out of it, and fuck off.

1. You haven't been "tactful" with me since you blew up at me on the front page.
2. If it was so minor, why is both yours, and her responses so much more blown out of proportion than mine. Mine's strongly worded, sure. But it wasn't offensive.
3. My attitude is bad, yeah. The way I talk, and type, yeah it's really blunt, really harsh, and to a lot of people it's off-putting, heck I'll even give you that I can be heavily dismissive of others. But I wear that, and own it. I'll apologize when I can agree I went too far.

Don't try to act like my original post was that bad though, it wasn't. It was a simple complaint with a harsh tone, and since you want to make this personal, allow me to as well: you know me through years of interactions, and know that my original post is just simply how I talk. You two blew this up worse than I did, don't try to sell it otherwise. Don't act like I'm the super shitty person here, I'm not.

I don't care if you like me as a creator, or as person. It's not relevant. If you want to make the choice to ignore all my content, go for it. I'd honestly prefer it to a high degree at this point as well.

Man, I feel with that last post it's starting to become nitpicky from one side and straight up hostile from the other. Aren't we adults that are all here for the same reason, to get awesome files and music into the game?

People are going to be sensitive about their work sometimes, cool off and solve it in a private conversation or something.

I am very nit picky. But the expectations should be made clear. No one here has an actual laid out idea of what would get their file exempted from use. Also, if I want to make it public, I am totally within my right to do so. There's nothing that says my original post is against the rules, and to keep it private or public is a choice I get to make. I considered it - but figured maybe others might have something to add. They didn't, that's alright.

lol xel
a 5.5 for a freedom dive chart is not the hill to die on imo

it's fucking freedom dive
chart better music

You don't get it, that's fine. Go reread my posts again.

The only thing this has really shown me, is that honestly we need more people to work on the official, especially in the simfile judging department. The batch for it needs to open sooner, the guidelines need to be made as clear as possible. A repeat can be avoided. I could probably word my posts a little better next time. But I don't think I need to in this instance.

I probably won't check back. Just the way it was left, I couldn't leave it.

[mi40]

Re: Official Tournament 13 Batch Notes

d8 needs a rock file that's all i'm saying

[psychoangel691]

Re: Official Tournament 13 Batch Notes

I'm going to make this simple, since you're going to be confrontational and a consistent problem we will no longer accept submissions from you for OT batches.

We've requested issues be taken to private always, you want to execute your right to do it publicly and make a scene fine, then I will eliminate the possibility of a problem all together with you.

We work on a skeleton crew of people, nothing is ever going to be perfect and nitpicking over one comment in the file is just ridiculous. I also gave you the opportunity to help on the judgment team after you applied, you declined it. So please, don't keep coming in causing issues for the people doing their best to keep things moving in a forward positive direction.

[s1rnight]

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yeah i dont understand the frustration either, not accepting a song for flavour reasons seems fine... i always thought freedom dive being a token only prize was cool too lol

[TC_Halogen]

Re: Official Tournament 13 Batch Notes

yeah i dont understand the frustration either, not accepting a song for flavour reasons seems fine... i always thought freedom dive being a token only prize was cool too lol

It's worth reiterating that the original rejection itself was purely on chart quality; the chart really did need some work.

[choof]

Re: Official Tournament 13 Batch Notes

just put glove's freedom dive into the game as v2

[hi19hi19]

Re: Official Tournament 13 Batch Notes

glove made a freedom dive? I mean I feel like every other stepper has made a freedom dive at this point but why is this the first I'm hearing of it