Top 10 list

[Hr2]

Re: Top 10 list

I'm not trolling, this thread is absolutely terrible and there have been at least 5 of these that were equally terrible. There is one reason that you cannot find out who the best player is, because everyone plays different files and only posts scores on things they are good at. There is only one way to find the best player, that would be to get EVERY SINGLE PERSON to play a set of simfiles that tested key stepmania skills then post their scores on them. You would need 5 files...

1. File with lots of jumps
2. File that was very fast
3. File that had jackhammers
4. File that used weird bpm changes and played on xmod
5. File that had very odd rhythms (think manchurian candy or istanbul cafe)

Then you would have to add up total dance points of everyone to find out who had the best in each category, then dance points in everything to give people a final percentage. This would be the only effective way to rank stepmania players. You guys are stupid and just rattle off random names, my highscore lists are put together about as well as yours except at least mine are tongue in cheek.

Also, you guys seem to forget we aren't the only people who play stepmania and there are lots of people who used to be awesome who would still give people today a run for there money.

None of these lists are based on concrete data, and the data they are based off of is either old or can't be verified. You guys need to get your heads out of your asses and stop making these ****ing topics.

[Hr2]

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I am not even in the Top10 SM? Whatever.

Dj Ridder you're on my top 10.

[Bursurk_Lurk]

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once again, go play some stupid tournament on SMO or something to find out who is the best

[Zaghurim]

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since i ended up on this list hr2 is automagically wrong

[IamMe241016]

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same lol

[sertman]

Re: Top 10 list

I'm not trolling, this thread is absolutely terrible and there have been at least 5 of these that were equally terrible. There is one reason that you cannot find out who the best player is, because everyone plays different files and only posts scores on things they are good at. There is only one way to find the best player, that would be to get EVERY SINGLE PERSON to play a set of simfiles that tested key stepmania skills then post their scores on them. You would need 5 files...

1. File with lots of jumps
2. File that was very fast
3. File that had jackhammers
4. File that used weird bpm changes and played on xmod
5. File that had very odd rhythms (think manchurian candy or istanbul cafe)

Then you would have to add up total dance points of everyone to find out who had the best in each category, then dance points in everything to give people a final percentage. This would be the only effective way to rank stepmania players. You guys are stupid and just rattle off random names, my highscore lists are put together about as well as yours except at least mine are tongue in cheek.

Also, you guys seem to forget we aren't the only people who play stepmania and there are lots of people who used to be awesome who would still give people today a run for there money.

None of these lists are based on concrete data, and the data they are based off of is either old or can't be verified. You guys need to get your heads out of your asses and stop making these ****ing topics.

That's odd, considering we have a hell of a lot of people weighing in and something tells me that what we have up there after only 4 hours of talking about it is close to accurate. How the hell can you be so sure that the lists are inaccurate? You have no way of knowing that, apparently, because we don't know **** about stepmania, correct?. We don't know **** about what scores make what person better than another person. Correct? People have been playing this game for 2 or 3 years and we don't have a ****ing single person who knows what the hell they're talking about? Correct? ****ing christ I don't think we're the ones that need to remove a stick from our asses

This top 10 list is for people who post on FFR (or SMO, for the one handers). So for that one guy in a far off land who gives everyone a run for their money, that one linus, privateer, eggman, fatalclarity type elite that plays every once in a while but doesn't say anything about it, THEY DON'T COUNT BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW. We're going by what we know, and that's fact.

[TheRapingDragon]

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Wow. This got serious fast.

[Hr2]

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That's odd, considering we have a hell of a lot of people weighing in and something tells me that what we have up there after only 4 hours of talking about it is close to accurate. How the hell can you be so sure that the lists are inaccurate? You have no way of knowing that, apparently, because we don't know **** about stepmania, correct?. We don't know **** about what scores make what person better than another person. Correct? People have been playing this game for 2 or 3 years and we don't have a ****ing single person who knows what the hell they're talking about? Correct? ****ing christ I don't think we're the ones that need to remove a stick from our asses

This top 10 list is for people who post on FFR (or SMO, for the one handers). So for that one guy in a far off land who gives everyone a run for their money, that one linus, privateer, eggman, fatalclarity type elite that plays every once in a while but doesn't say anything about it, THEY DON'T COUNT BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW. We're going by what we know, and that's fact.

Good job taking my post personally. Of course, it is POSSIBLE that your top 10 list is perfectly correct, but we have NO WAY of knowing if it is or not. I'm looking at this scientifically, I have no idea how you're looking at it. To observe something you have to use the scientific method.

You see a good score posted by thaor.
You hypothesize, thaor is the best stepmania player!

Now its time to prove it, instead of just saying it, why don't you actually go collect data, talk to the players and ask them to play some files and tell them your scores. You have no proof whatsoever that anyone is the best or the worst because you haven't observed them enough.

There are lots of notable examples of people who are AMAZING at one thing but terrible at other aspects of the game. DukAmok is one of the most accurate indexers, you'd see one of his AAAAs and say "wow he's an amazing player he has to be the best" but his speed sucks, overall, he's not the best. If you put Izzy and DukAmok, head to head, and made them play a set of lets say 3 songs...

1. Reality
2. Shind Bad
3. Stunt Flying

Who would win? Honestly, I couldn't tell you, and you probably couldn't tell me. Same thing goes for every one of these lists. You need to set very specific criteria and is standardized for everyone. Because if DukAmok posts 100000 AAAAs on a 180bpm stream and Izzy posts 100000 passes of 300bpm stream, who is better, we have no idea.

I never said your lists were wrong or right, I said there wasn't enough information. There is a huge difference. Instead of blindly guessing for 4 pages, why don't you go collect some information. Then you have a list that is not disputable.

Until someone creates a method of finding who is the best (oh look I even outlined one for you guys who care enough to implement it) then all your top 10 lists are little more than guess work. (Notice how I said little more, because there is evidence, just very incomplete and unverifyable evidence)

[IamMe241016]

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because we're lazy, obviously

I think this was supposed to be a rough guess at the top10, not a scientifically provable theory =( i guess we could do that but god who has the time for something that annoying

[dascookieman]

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You have a good point Hr2, although I think everything about the spread-list seem very accurate, except for place 1-2. tsutter vs thaor :O

[Zaghurim]

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lots of gay words

too long

homoeroticism

BE SILENT, MOONCLOWN

the lists are fun to have

that's all

if you make any suupa srs business discussion out of it you must really suffer from hyper aids.

[sertman]

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Of course we have an idea. The community determines what is better. If the community thinks that an AAAA of a 180 BPM stream song is better then a pass of a 300 BPM song, then the AAAA is better. This isn't a scientific game. The community determines who is the best. If the community says that ThaoR is the best, then he's the best. If the community thinks that tsutter is the best, then he's the best. That's the way that it goes. It's like induction into the Hall of Fame. Pete Rose was one of the best hitters in baseball, but you also need to represent the game with integrity and class to get into the hall. He isn't getting in because the voters have decided what is more important in that case. Same with this one. There isn't a scientific way of proving ThaoR is the best, but the community says he is, so he is.

[Zaghurim]

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say no to aids

[BlueMystik]

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this thread turned hardcore lolol.

[Hr2]

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Obviously the community cannot decide who is better or we'd all have the same list not 25 different variations of it. If half of the community says that AAAA on 180bpm and the other half says 300bpm pass is better, then looks like we have a problem that has to be solved by numbers, not emotions.

Sports are different, so is music. If we were to go by that to get into "top 10 list" of stepmania... Then we'd have a list looking like...

aperson - very good accuracy + amazing contributions to stepfile community
zaghurim - very good overall + raised the bar for simfile makers with quality releases
arch0wl - amazing indexer + changed simfile making (for better or worse) + brought hundreds of new people into the stepmania community (for better or worse)
reach - amazing stepmania player + important simfile maker

I think you get my point, if we're going on overall contributions, making simfiles would also have to be considered part of it. My list would be completely comprised of simfile makers because I believe that making a good simfile is harder than AAAAing it.

Once again, we'd have a big problem here because lots of people wouldn't agree. This is why we need a standardized method, and we need to apply it to everyone and analyze it. These lists are almost as bad as "best guitarist" lists.